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Post by CVBears on Sept 9, 2007 17:45:08 GMT -6
A post in another thread got me thinking about this. People can argue about who is #1, but until they play the actual game, nothing is definitive (and even then, some will still question).
I will give credit to the arguement that LSU may be the best TEAM in the land. However, I believe that USC has the most TALENT in the country. The difference between talent levels at the two schools is about as wide as the radius of a hair, but I believe the edge goes to USC.
So if you were a voter in one of the infamous polls, where would you put USC and LSU?
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Post by brophy on Sept 9, 2007 18:50:23 GMT -6
USC has more "talent"?
=----how do you gauge that?
PAC vs SEC.........
The best defense? LSU
the best offense? One could argue USC because of Booty, but that would be it.
LSU isn't perfect, but I don't really see too many chinks in their armor...and with a defense like they have (undoubtedly the very BEST in the country) you aren't going to have many opportunities.
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Post by phantom on Sept 9, 2007 19:46:29 GMT -6
Anybody who can do that to VTs defense gets my vote.
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Post by davecisar on Sept 10, 2007 5:42:10 GMT -6
LSU looked incredible.
Gotta love Bo Pelinis Defense.
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Post by threeback on Sept 10, 2007 6:58:51 GMT -6
I was sitting there watching the game Saturday night in awe of the speed and aggressiveness of LSU's defense- not just because I'm a die hard LSU fan. Those guys get to the ball carrier with bad intentions- and extreme discipline. It was just a great game to watch if you want to see what an aggressive and disciplined defense looks like.
Offensively- they have more than enough weapons to scare anyone.
I'll go with LSU as #1.
Brophy- love the Poo Poo avatar. My lips is CHAPPED!!
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Post by realdawg on Sept 10, 2007 7:31:05 GMT -6
havent seen USC yet, but LSU looks tough to beat.
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Post by cqmiller on Sept 10, 2007 11:39:07 GMT -6
Not sure who I vote for...(lol)
But I will see USC this week on TV, and next week in person, so I will have a better idea of how good they are after these next two games...Idaho isn't a team that you can get a good guage on...
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Post by carookie on Sept 10, 2007 13:09:17 GMT -6
LSU should be ranked #1 right now. I'm not saying they are better (Hell Im a west coast guy and a Pac-10 apologist), I've seen both teams play; after week one I would say a push. But after what LSU did to VaTech LSU deserves to be ranked #1, at least for now. I Tivo'd the game because I wanted to study Va Techs C4, but got distracted by how LSU dismantled VT. LSU ran an unballanced set several times that averaged about 10 ypc on the same toss play, which VT never adjusted to. Other than that LSU would run trips and hit the isolated WR a ton (just better athleticism).
Really its just a problem with the polls, if writers had any guts they would be willing to move teams up and down based on what they see, not just stick with their formulaic way of ranking. But I guess if writers could make intelectual judgements about football by observing the game they'd be coaching.
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Post by dolomite on Sept 10, 2007 13:19:52 GMT -6
Watching USC beat up on Pac 10 teams isn't a great feat. USC should have played Auburn a few years ago for the Title. USC is so loved by the media because of the west coast-glamor-it's trendy to like USC-CONNECTION TO THE MEDIA. HALF OF THE IDIOTS THAT VOTE FOR THE WHO'S WHO IN THE TOP 25 COULD WRITE A BOOK WITH WHAT THEY DON'T KNOW ABOUT FOOTBALL.
LSU is #1 without a doubt. The fact that USC is still number 1 should prove that these rankings are horse {censored}. The BCS is a complete and utter joke. It's too bad that the game, in college, is dominated by the dollar. The game deserves better than that.
I'll get off my high horse.
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Post by barnone on Sept 11, 2007 8:08:52 GMT -6
Well I say neither is #1 !!! That spot should be reserved for my beloved Sooners of Oklahoma!!!  |
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Post by rwildcat on Sept 12, 2007 0:12:00 GMT -6
dont count the SOONERS out
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Post by lukethadrifter on Sept 12, 2007 18:01:13 GMT -6
LSU and OU were the two most impressive teams I have seen -
playin' it cool - Luke
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Post by dolomite on Sept 13, 2007 6:07:16 GMT -6
whether I like it or not every time you USC PLAYS Somebody outside their conference except for one under Carroll, They hammer em, including my beloved Sooners. I am in awe of LSU as well but until they play and beat USC? I will give the edge to USC. How do you give the edge to USC? Is it because everyone in the media said they were going to be good? Look at Michigan, let me tell you, the media hit the nail on the head raking them 5th in the nation. Usc hasn't played anyone yet. And people like you crown them. On the other hand, LSU SPANKS THE NUMBER ONE DEFENSE IN COLLEGE FOOTBALL, and you give the edge to USC? Lets take a look at USC's non-conference games, Notre Dame? At the beginning of 05, they were ranked 2nd in the nation. Thats a pretty high ranking for a team that lost 3 games in one season. USC almost got beat by Notre Dame. USC #1. GET REAL!!! I CAN'T HAVE THIS IDIOTIC CONVERSATION ANY LONGER. MY BLOOD IS BOILING. BTW I LIKE OU, BUT BEATING UP ON A REBUILDING MIAMI TEAM IS NOT A HUGE FEAT. |
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Post by wingman on Sept 13, 2007 13:01:24 GMT -6
What happened last time SC played Auburn.
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Post by cqmiller on Sept 13, 2007 13:24:57 GMT -6
I am going on what USC HAS DONE! for 6 years. THEY HAMMERED MICHIGAN, ARk, LSU, OKLAHOMA, And should have beaten texas. LSU is a great football and probably more talented. But LEs miles vs CARROLL? CARROLL THANK YOU. MIAMI is awful. SHannon will be gone in two years no doubt. OKlahoma kept miami in that game. And that is why I dont believe oklahoma will be in the hunt.. That and they have a freshman qb. I must have missed the game where USC beat LSU in the last 6 years... Wish I woulda seen that one! But until we see a playoff, or they actually play each other...WE DON'T KNOW!....So EVERYONE who is undefeated can have an arguement for #1...let's just let the games speak for themselves until January. |
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Post by goldenbear76 on Sept 13, 2007 13:33:35 GMT -6
Cal should be #1 ...
Signed..
Homer.
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Post by tedseay on Sept 14, 2007 2:35:40 GMT -6
Cal should be #1 ... Signed.. Homer. After we beat the Trojans, bro, after we beat the Trojans. |
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Post by dolomite on Sept 14, 2007 9:03:36 GMT -6
It's obvious that coachjerk is a USC fan. You cannot talk about what USC has done in the last 6 years. uSC IS NOT the same team. It's obvious that Michigan's defense is horrendous. They are 0-2. When you beat VT the way LSU did, that really says something. Get off the USC bandwagon dude. I was talking about when USC and Auburn split the national title. No team in the land will beat LSU. Oh yeah there is also the whole, better conference thing!!!!! I am sure you're one of those guys that believe the Pac-10 is as good as the SEC.
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Post by coachd5085 on Sept 14, 2007 9:40:46 GMT -6
The first question that jumps to ones head on this matter is "Umm..does it matter? " The answer suprisingly is yes
Huey hit the nail on the head. The problem isn't the "BCS" system, or lack of a playoff. The problem is that almost completely arbitrary and subjective rankings based on 100% speculation have an impact on an objective event--the BCS championship game. Looking week by week does not give an accurate of fair picture of anything. For example, While Appy state's win over Michigan was extremely impressive week 1, it has become less impressive in light of week 2, and should Michigan lose to ND this week even further from the monumental upset it was first hailed (Although, one could make an arugment that it was the catalyst, and therefore even more monumental)
That said, the big issue is that IT DOES INDEED matter who is #1 or #2 or whatever right now, and that is the problem. That was the probem when we had the 3 undefeated teams, and that will always be the problem when you try to have subjective processes as the raw material to an objective output.
They need to either go one way or the other. Personally, I am in favor of just going back to the old system, and let various organizations declare their own recognized national champ.
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Post by phantom on Sept 15, 2007 6:08:15 GMT -6
It's obvious that coachjerk is a USC fan. You cannot talk about what USC has done in the last 6 years. uSC IS NOT the same team. It's obvious that Michigan's defense is horrendous. They are 0-2. When you beat VT the way LSU did, that really says something. Get off the USC bandwagon dude. I was talking about when USC and Auburn split the national title. No team in the land will beat LSU. Oh yeah there is also the whole, better conference thing!!!!! I am sure you're one of those guys that believe the Pac-10 is as good as the SEC. The fact that LSU's defense handled VT's offense didn't surprise me. The ease with which their offense handled VT's defense did. |
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Post by davecisar on Sept 15, 2007 8:21:03 GMT -6
Dont read too much into USC vs Nebraska today.
Baring some huge mistakes USC should win handily. Im an A&M grad but live near Lincoln and love the Huskers. We dont stack up with USC at all, weak recievers, small corners, no punt return game and a total lack of speed on defense as well as a DC that has an average ranking of #50 in team defense with his last 20 or so teams. OTOH Bo Pelini came in here and in one year they improved dramaticly and nearly led the nation in turnover margin, gotta like LSUs chances.
As a season ticket holder for more than 30 years, I can say that while we ALWAYS sell out the stadium, the home field advantage is not huge. Our fans are just too polite, applaud both teams and win or lose we give the opponents a standing ovation as they exit the tunnel on the way out of the game. ( yes even hated Texas) USC my guess doesnt get intimidated by anyone.
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Post by davecisar on Sept 15, 2007 8:36:30 GMT -6
Yes, new era. 5 National Titles during Osbornes days as Asst and Head Coach. And to dynasties, what a joke USC is best ever. NU played for the National Title in 93,94,95 and 97. Winning them in 94, 95 and 97. 71 and 95 teams considered by many to be the best teams ever in college football and Osborne rarely if ever had a top 10 recruiting class ( sometimes not in top 20). Lost to FSU in very controversial national championship game in 93 and went 65-3 in one stretch with very few close games. One national title game being a 62-24 blowout of Florida. #3-4 I think in all time wins, yeah we're all washed up.
NU never fell as far off the map as far as OU did under 3 different coaches, and lost to NU by over 60 points, so we will be back.
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Post by brophy on Sept 15, 2007 19:31:24 GMT -6
with all these "upsets" already in the 2007 season, do you think, maaaaybe that a consensus will be achieved that these polls are full of crap?
(keep it up, Nebraska!!!!!)
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