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Post by wingt74 on Oct 2, 2007 13:31:16 GMT -6
Sounds like a situation of, "Yeah...lets just sweep this under the rug. We don't want any bad press"
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Post by brophy on Oct 2, 2007 14:36:53 GMT -6
LOL, well geeze Brophy if I'm a cop and a guy is robbing an old lady if I intervene am I escalating the situation or diffusing it- what happens if it pisses him off and he takes a swing at me I guess that's my fault? He's a cop first and a coach second- he is not use to simply letting things go because that's the easist way out of a situation- cops address things the rest of us let go. If he honestly believed it was a threat as a cop he's going to address that while you may not as a coach- even one with a black belt He's thinking like a cop- because he is. I guess they don't teach that in karate school. I'm gonna talk to you LATER. [enter Robocop Mode] hey, eric.....your head coach owes you a couple of rounds at the sports bar for this one. Let it go - start your best players in the next game.....personal feelings be damned. now......in the meantime, let me help you with the parents www.poopsenders.com
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Post by larrymoe on Oct 2, 2007 18:12:03 GMT -6
Get out and get out now. Find an environment that will support their coaches instead of being spineless wimps. Maybe the opposing principal would be interested in having you on seeing as he pretty much knows the entire situation. I couldn't find a way to stay if I were you. I don't think I'd personally even consider it.
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Post by poweriguy on Oct 2, 2007 19:45:43 GMT -6
Yeah the parents yelling at you is one thing, but to have a student/player do the same and not get punished? That's just inexcusable. Stepping away would be a good idea.
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Post by eric58 on Oct 2, 2007 21:22:11 GMT -6
Well thank all you coaches for your input. I called the A.D. and told him that I was stepping down since nothing was going to be done. He told me thank you and sorry for what I had to go through. This whole incident makes me wish I should have to the job with one of the top teams over here. p.s. Brophy I don't know why (cops) choose that line because I'm not a cop.
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Post by eickst on Oct 2, 2007 21:45:33 GMT -6
Personally, I would have finished the season before stepping down. I know some people will argue, but good luck finding a coaching position mid season, and second, have fun explaining in all future interviews why you left a program mid season.
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 3, 2007 7:10:15 GMT -6
Wow dcohio..how very preachy of you from the cheap seats.
Doesn't also teach the kids and families that "your actions have consequences, and those extend BEYOND YOU". The remaining kids and families now have an opportunity to police their own, to hold the A.D. and others accountable for spinelessness, and to call out the squeaky wheel parents.
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Post by wingt74 on Oct 3, 2007 7:29:01 GMT -6
Doesn't also teach the kids and families that "your actions have consequences, and those extend BEYOND YOU". The remaining kids and families now have an opportunity to police their own, to hold the A.D. and others accountable for spinelessness, and to call out the squeaky wheel parents. Have to agree here...there is only a certain point you can go before you are left with no other options.
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Post by brophy on Oct 3, 2007 8:33:45 GMT -6
Well thank all you coaches for your input. I called the A.D. and told him that I was stepping down since nothing was going to be done. He told me thank you and sorry for what I had to go through. This whole incident makes me wish I should have to the job with one of the top teams over here. good for you, man. Now you can relax and enjoy everyone else playing on Friday nights (get an opportunity to find who you might want to coach for next season) Good luck...sorry you had to put up with the grief.
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 3, 2007 8:59:22 GMT -6
eric--just one word of advice. You need to be VERY proactive on this one...to make sure that the WHOLE story is what follows you around...and not just the not so good parts.
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Post by ajreaper on Oct 3, 2007 9:12:32 GMT -6
I'd think it be difficult to show up everyday and pour your heart and soul into the team/program knowing that there is absolutely no one who has your back, no one who'll be in your corner when crap like this happens- How could you? There are times when you must say "This I cannot be part of".
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Post by coachpat88 on Oct 3, 2007 10:43:38 GMT -6
Coach --- From personal experience you made the right choice. My final 1 1/2 as HFC was hell because the parents had free reign to do, accuse, act and threaten my staff. It ruined my joy for coaches and the kids noticed it. 99.9% of the blame falls on the administration for not stepping up and acting. I agree with the 48 hour rule... but until parameters are set in place and enforced you were in a no win situation... Good Luck
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Post by moball on Oct 3, 2007 11:08:01 GMT -6
If you can say you honestly felt threatened, then you were threatened. You don't have to put up with that crap. Tell your principal with confidence that if he can't support you then you are out of there effective immediately. Then, if you have to leave your next move should be to go to the local media and explain to them that the inmates are running the assylum in that school district. Tell your super of your plans ahead of time also. Do you think he wants the entire community involved in this. Yes, you might lose your job over it, but some higher ups might also. If you show any guilt on your face they'll come for your jugular. Don't go down without a fight. WAR football coaches fighting back against idiot parents.
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Post by coachcalande on Oct 3, 2007 12:44:59 GMT -6
sounds like the program not only tolerates this but in the end encourages this type of behavior from players and parents. what a shame.
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Post by knighter on Oct 3, 2007 16:10:23 GMT -6
Eric- I back you and applaud you. As a head coach I would have IMMEDIATELY cut the players involved to send a message, and I would have backed you with administration as well. At some point in time someone in the chain has to grow a pair. If it is to be it is up to me...any coach worth his weight in melted down fat would have cut the individuals involved. As an assistant wouldn't it be nice to know that someone supports you in this situation? Can't beleive the spinelessness of your administration...oh wait yes I can, as I have worked for some very similar.
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Post by eric58 on Oct 3, 2007 16:13:03 GMT -6
dcohio, all the parents and kids had a pre-season meeting about 3 three weeks ago about this. They all signed contracts. In those contracts it stated that the parents could not talk to coaches about playing time, why their kid is not getting the ball enough, etc etc. It's funny because 4 years ago at the same school a school board member tried to sucker punch a coach during halftime because his son got pulled from offense. They stopped him but guess what happened NOTHING. I would not take out any of my frustrations on his kids. I spoke to the principle about future incidents that could occure like with the father. Both his kids missed practice on friday, both his kids have had numerous missed tackles on defense. Both his kids have cost us a total of 12 fumbles between the two in the last two games. Now any coach who saw that would say get someone else in there to carry the ball. The dad would see this as getting back at him and would stir up more stuff. I did think about the kids and the one I worried about the most was my little brother. When as coaches do you get the chance to coach a son or brother at the h.s. level or even J.C.? Yes dad's have always been their son's coach when there little but this is h.s. I gave him a ride home and told him what happened. He understands why I had to do it.
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Post by coachcoyote on Oct 3, 2007 23:52:44 GMT -6
Eric, Good for you. I've been in a similar situation before and felt that as much as I love working with the kids, I have to face myself each day in the mirror. I met with the team[HS Varsity], told them what happened, and why I felt I had to leave. Principal requested a meeting with me 2 days later, and informed me the FR., JV., and Varsity had signed a petition, asking me to stay. Needless to say, I was overwhelmed, but felt I had to stick to my decision because the Admin. and Super would not commit to backing me and/or my staff if the same situation arose. I left with my head high, but a tear in my eye, an apple in my throat, and a heavy heart. There comes a time when you have to stand up and be counted as opposed to blending into the background and letting everyone run over you. Spineless admin? Of course. A$$ kissing AD? Unfortunately. Did I miss the kids? Damn right. But I didn't regret leaving the school. The Admin did not learn anything because they did the same thing to the next guy.
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Post by ajreaper on Oct 4, 2007 9:06:05 GMT -6
LOL, DC family get togethers must have been interesting I think the most difficult thing a coach must do is coach his own son's- many will naturally assume that favoritism plays into it and both the coach and player can get alot of grief over it. On the flipside "dad" may go a little overboard demonstrating there is none- I imagine it can be a difficult thing to balance football and coach/player relationship with home and dad/son relationship. My hats off to the coaches who do this.
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Post by jhanawa on Oct 4, 2007 14:18:46 GMT -6
Plus, a booster guy isn't going to approach me at my most volatile time: right after a game....... LOL, yes they will, on away games those flights are awefully long....
DIII private school???---Wait to you meet debt collectors LMAO, our high school is so hard up I'm suprised that we don't see some, oh wait, we don't buy ANYTHING.....at least for the football team....
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