Enrico B.
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Post by Enrico B. on Sept 10, 2012 1:53:19 GMT -6
onlyagame.wbur.org/2012/09/08/john-gagliardi-footballToday I read this article and I was wondering if someone in this board runs limited-contact practices. I think that Gagliardi can do it because he's coaching college football, so his athletes usually already know how to hit and aren't scared of hitting. Do you think it is possible to run limited-contact practices at the High School or lower levels of football?
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Post by silkyice on Sept 10, 2012 8:33:27 GMT -6
We really only hit on Tuesdays during goalline period during the season. But it is full out live, offense vs 14-20 guys.
We hit everyday a lot in spring. We hit a lot in summer.
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Post by groundchuck on Sept 10, 2012 8:42:05 GMT -6
We really only go live live on Tuesday. Even then we go quick whistles.
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Post by coachd5085 on Sept 10, 2012 9:50:05 GMT -6
italian coach-- I know the search function here is pretty weak, but if you google search "coach huey" and "gagliardi" you will probably find several really good threads that discussed this topic.
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Enrico B.
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Post by Enrico B. on Sept 10, 2012 17:40:39 GMT -6
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Post by mrjvi on Sept 10, 2012 17:53:32 GMT -6
I can't limit contact. We have a somewhat deserved reputation of being a "county club" school and hitting does make them tougher.
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Post by airman on Sept 10, 2012 19:38:54 GMT -6
Coach from Italy, college football you are coaching men. High school football you are coaching boys. Most NFL teams go limited contact all season. Helmets and shells only.
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Post by Chris Clement on Sept 10, 2012 21:42:42 GMT -6
Yeah, but the difference in experience is indescribable.
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Enrico B.
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Post by Enrico B. on Sept 11, 2012 1:38:45 GMT -6
Coach from Italy, college football you are coaching men. High school football you are coaching boys. Most NFL teams go limited contact all season. Helmets and shells only. That's exactly what I was thinking. |
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Post by coachwoodall on Sept 11, 2012 8:47:50 GMT -6
This week we are renewing a rivalry with team a classification below us, but back in the day we were the same size and therefore in the same region.... 1970's
Now they still pretty much run the same offense. They all wear knee braces. They go full pads and have contact every day of the week, even on Thursdays.
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Post by coachdennis on Sept 11, 2012 12:53:49 GMT -6
I absolutely loved "The Sweet Season", and I believe there is a lot of wisdom in Coach Gagliardi's, "Winning With No" list. Having said that, I believe that when coaching at the high school level and below you absolutely have to continue coaching contact every day. If you stop, the arm tackles and lousy technique will be back within a week.
Now, there is a middle ground between a zero contact practice, and running Okie and Bull in the Ring all night. (Don't get me started on Bull in the Ring - what a waste of time.) You need to set up your contact so that you aren't needlessly exposing kids to injury. The key to that is keeping the distances VERY limited (F = MA), and the whistles quick. If you do that, you're fine. These coaches who have kids taking 20 yard runs at each other (which doesn't simulate game conditions anyway) and then wonder why their kids keep getting hurt in practice - dumb, dumb, dumb. Keep coaching and stressing technique, and the aggression will flow from there. The other way around doesn't work.
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Post by semi-pro64 on Sept 11, 2012 13:39:08 GMT -6
I played for Coach Gagliardi's at St. John's and I ask him why he doesn't do all the hitting/blocking and weightlifting. He said there really is no need too because most of the players he gets know how to tackle and block already and those that don't, don't play in the games. As a high school coach, I try to do a lot of what he does in practice however I coach at a school where most of the players haven't played youth football so it makes it hard not to "hit" to show them how to tackle and block. Thats one thing about St. John's they average around 150-170 kids a year on the team. Most have a good soild background in tackling and blocking and were all conference of some sort. With those numbers and background, it makes it easier to not hit in practice.
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Post by coachmoore42 on Sept 11, 2012 19:17:58 GMT -6
We have usually been a fairly-heavy contact team. This year we have only 16 players on our seventh grade team, so we have had to adjust our practices just so we can continue to field a team. We have went much more full-speed running to wrap-up tackling. This is a change from where we use to allow players to be taken to the ground on a fairly regular basis. So far, our tackling hasn't sufferred, even guys new to our program are tackling as well as we have in the past. I attribute this to our daily stay-on-your-feet tackling drill.
The video was Day #1 for tackling...so if we look sloppy, we were.
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Post by coachwoodall on Sept 11, 2012 19:20:45 GMT -6
I absolutely loved "The Sweet Season", and I believe there is a lot of wisdom in Coach Gagliardi's, "Winning With No" list. Having said that, I believe that when coaching at the high school level and below you absolutely have to continue coaching contact every day. If you stop, the arm tackles and lousy technique will be back within a week. Now, there is a middle ground between a zero contact practice, and running Okie and Bull in the Ring all night. (Don't get me started on Bull in the Ring - what a waste of time.) You need to set up your contact so that you aren't needlessly exposing kids to injury. The key to that is keeping the distances VERY limited (F = MA), and the whistles quick. If you do that, you're fine. These coaches who have kids taking 20 yard runs at each other (which doesn't simulate game conditions anyway) and then wonder why their kids keep getting hurt in practice - dumb, dumb, dumb. Keep coaching and stressing technique, and the aggression will flow from there. The other way around doesn't work. My tackle drill for the DBs is a 20 yard angle tackle. - on the goal line, inside arm of rabbit -Rabbits on the 20 above the numbers -line of cones below the numbers from the 15 to the 10 -Rabbit has to run around all the the cones and then can either try to cut back or stay outside -tackler has to get the rabbit out of bounds or take him down, it is do or die I think that is pretty realistic |
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