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Post by toprowguy on Dec 3, 2005 16:01:06 GMT -6
How many offensive plays per game do winning HS football teams average.
With 12 minute quarters I was thinking about anywhere from 50 to 60 plays.
What does everyone else think???
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Post by coachjd on Dec 3, 2005 16:03:02 GMT -6
We usually win when we run more than 60 plays.
We probably avg. around 48-52 plays per game.
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Post by ogie4 on Dec 4, 2005 15:07:11 GMT -6
How many offensive plays per game do winning HS football teams average. With 12 minute quarters I was thinking about anywhere from 50 to 60 plays. What does everyone else think??? I was thinking this very question this past season while inputting scouting data. When I first started scouting, 45-55 was norm, but since spread offenses have taken over in the past three-four years with almost all the programs in our area, the number of offensive plays has easily averaged closer to 60-80 plays per game. Does that sound about right Fish? |
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Post by fish on Dec 4, 2005 15:23:59 GMT -6
How many offensive plays per game do winning HS football teams average. With 12 minute quarters I was thinking about anywhere from 50 to 60 plays. What does everyone else think??? I was thinking this very question this past season while inputting scouting data. When I first started scouting, 45-55 was norm, but since spread offenses have taken over in the past three-four years with almost all the programs in our area, the number of offensive plays has easily averaged closer to 60-80 plays per game. Does that sound about right Fish? i think most teams usually average between 55-60 plays per game, spread or not. at least the ones we saw. i think the largest number of plays we saw this year came from a running team (bhs). as far as winning and losing records based on number of plays, i would think if you are above 60, then you have a better chance of winning and if you are below 55 then you are probably losing. |
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Post by ogie4 on Dec 4, 2005 15:29:23 GMT -6
I was thinking this very question this past season while inputting scouting data. When I first started scouting, 45-55 was norm, but since spread offenses have taken over in the past three-four years with almost all the programs in our area, the number of offensive plays has easily averaged closer to 60-80 plays per game. Does that sound about right Fish? i think most teams usually average between 55-60 plays per game, spread or not. at least the ones we saw. i think the largest number of plays we saw this year came from a running team (bhs). as far as winning and losing records based on number of plays, i would think if you are above 60, then you have a better chance of winning and if you are below 55 then you are probably losing. I just ran in to the video room and checked, B-72 plays per game K-68 plays per game A-67 plays per game H-46 plays per game E-64 plays per game the BIG K-59 Your right spread didn't really make a difference, the number is looking closer to 65 plays per game. |
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Post by fish on Dec 4, 2005 19:22:33 GMT -6
i think most teams usually average between 55-60 plays per game, spread or not. at least the ones we saw. i think the largest number of plays we saw this year came from a running team (bhs). as far as winning and losing records based on number of plays, i would think if you are above 60, then you have a better chance of winning and if you are below 55 then you are probably losing. I just ran in to the video room and checked, B-72 plays per game K-68 plays per game A-67 plays per game H-46 plays per game E-64 plays per game the BIG K-59 Your right spread didn't really make a difference, the number is looking closer to 65 plays per game. and only 4 of those teams had winning records. so who knows what the magic number is. |
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Post by tog on Dec 4, 2005 19:26:11 GMT -6
I think there are some statistical math type things that could really throw this off.
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Post by Coach Huey on Dec 4, 2005 19:36:13 GMT -6
i know there are probably some valid stats out there that can show us the chances of winning games if they are achieved. i'm not real smart so i can't reveal what they might be. so, for the time being, i'll look at points scored vs points allowed to be the stat i go by
lol......not trying to be a smart ass
ratios to look for:
TD possesions : total possesions --- we want 40%
scoring possesions : total possesions --- we want 50%
yards per play (not total yards) --- we want 5.5 yds
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Post by toprowguy on Dec 4, 2005 21:53:07 GMT -6
I guess if you score on one or two play drives a few times a game you would win the majority of the time but your total number of plays would be very low.
Also if your defense is allowing your oppenent to run the ball all over the place then that would also lower your total number of offensive plays.
The reason I started this thread is I want to find a number of total plays that we should be shotting for evry game, in general.
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Post by Coach Huey on Dec 4, 2005 21:56:17 GMT -6
over the last 10 years....the # of plays we avg. a game (each season) has varied from mid-50's to low-70's ....level of success has been pretty much the same or it was inconclusive (may avg low # but had more wins, or vice-versa).
when we looked at % of drives where we got points, it tended to tell a "truer" tale. of course, that is obvious, i know.....you gotta' score more than they do
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Post by saintrad on Dec 4, 2005 22:40:07 GMT -6
it all depends on how many flags our zebra friends throw also... we had a game this year that was almost 4 hrs long due to the 40 penalty flags the refs felt they had to throw (11 personal fouls too)
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Post by airitout on Dec 4, 2005 23:08:48 GMT -6
I have no definitive answer, but through some research, we arrived at the following "guesstimate" or guideline to help us to determine the number of certain types of plays (i.e. third-and-long throws) we really needed to include each week in a game plan, which of course dictates how much practice time we'd dedicate to a play. This may be "oversimplified" or fail to take into account some factors we inadvertantly ignored, but in any event, here is what we worked up:
Estimated Number of Plays Run Per Down in an High School Football Game: Teams Average 60-to-65 Total Offensive Plays per Game
. First Downs: …………………………..…... 27 plays
1. Ideal Objective: Get to 2nd & Medium
· Anticipate 15 to 20 run calls designed to gain 4+ yards on 1st down
2. Gambling: Should throw 25% to 33% of time on 1st down, which is 5-to-10 first down passing calls
· Need 4 or 5 play-action passes
· Need 4 or 5 “quick game” 3-step drop passes
· Never take a “sack” nor throw an interception; throw ball away and take a “no loss, no gain.”
· Consider a 1st down “home run” shot, especially after a dramatic “sudden change,” i.e.
a. The recovering of an opponent turnover or
b. A special teams’ play (great return or block of opponent’s punt or kick)
. Second Downs: …………………………….…. 19 plays
1. 2nd & Short (2 yards or less needed): ….. 4 plays
· Ideal Objective: Convert to 1st down
· Gambling: Consider 1 well-timed “home run” shot on 2nd & Short. Base decision on personnel, weather, score, field position, time remaining, and the game’s “momentum.”
2. 2nd & Medium (3-to-6 yards needed):..……. 7-8 plays
· If 4-6 yards is gained on 1st down (leaving us at 2nd & 6 yards or less), the 2nd down call will be designed to gain 4 or 5 yards in order to arrive at 3rd & Short.
· Ideal Objective: Get to 3rd & Short
· Gambling: Consider 2 “play-action” pass calls on 2nd & Medium to take advantage of defenders not respecting the pass, either by alignment or by reaction.
3. 2nd & Long (7 yards or more needed):.……… 7-8 plays
· Ideal Objective: Get to 3rd & Short
· Conservative Objective: Get to 3rd & Medium
· Gambling: Usually not a situation in which to gamble in order to convert to 1st down and risk losing significant yardage and arriving at 3rd & Extra Long
. Third Downs: …………………………………………………18 plays
1. 3rd & Short (2 yards or less needed): .........5 plays
2. 3rd & Medium (3-to-6 yards needed): ........ 6 plays
· Conservative Objective: Consider getting to 4th & Short, based on field position, time remaining, score, etc.
3. 3rd & Long (7-to-10 yards needed): …………. 5 plays
· Ideal Objective: Convert to 1st Down
a. Need 1 draw play
b. Need 1 screen pass
c. Need 2 or 3 downfield dropback passes
· Conservative Objective: Get to 4th & Short, based on field position, time remaining, score, etc.
4. 3rd and Extra Long (11 or + yards needed): 2-3 plays
· Usually results from a penalty or a sack, so either an offensive mistake or a defensive success created this situation. Be careful not to compound the offense’s mistake or further reward the defense’s success by risking too much to remedy the situation.
· Ideal Objective: Convert to 1st down
a. Need 2 downfield “drop back” passes
b. Those passes designed for 3rd & Long may also suffice.
· Conservative Objective: Based on score, time remaining, field position, etc., consider playing for field position with a conservative call in order to manage both risk and field position.
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