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Post by ststeve on Nov 22, 2005 19:46:43 GMT -6
what's the best way to let a coach go? The coach is knowledgable, but regularly misses meetings for one reason or another, and has no showed on several occasions most recently our end of year banquet. he's great with the kids, but I'm not sure sure he's always supporting me in front of the kids. Just a hunch, no real proof.
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Post by coachjd on Nov 22, 2005 19:50:43 GMT -6
Coach,
If you have the days he has been AWOL documented, I would sit him down and tell him that due to his lack of communication and missing so many practices and team functions we need to move on and find someone else that is going to make a comittment to be at practice and all team functions.
If you have no proof of his backstabbing I would not mention it during the meeting, but explain your stance as head coach and the role of an assitant and let him go.
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Post by tog on Nov 22, 2005 19:53:49 GMT -6
How would you go about finding out if they are backstabbing and talking around the kids? I am not much into the espionage thing. What you see is what you get with me. How would someone so blunt as myself find out about that? I don't know if ssteve is like me in this regard, but figuring out how to find that out might help him too.
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Post by ststeve on Nov 22, 2005 20:02:14 GMT -6
i'm not a very blunt (i tend to not want to offend/hurt anyone's feelings. I'm getting over this though) person, but I'm also not very sneaky. I lean toward brophy though. if you don't have proof then don't bother bringing it up. gut reaction is great, but your can't base firing someone on it. the other problem is I don't have actual documentation (attendence dates). but I have spoken w/ my AD about the situation pretty regularly, generally after he misses something w/o an excuse. The easy part about this is that he is not a teacher, just a lay coach, but that is most of my staff. I will say that is is hard being a 27 yr old HFC having to tell a 40 yr how to do his job.
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Post by phantom on Nov 22, 2005 20:02:47 GMT -6
Although the possibility of disloyalty is serious there's no reason to make an issue of it here. You fire him for missing meetings, period.
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Post by coachjd on Nov 22, 2005 20:06:40 GMT -6
27 or 47 you are still the head coach. You need to let him go and move on. Good luck coach with this situation.
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Post by tog on Nov 22, 2005 20:10:13 GMT -6
a screw up that can't show up on time and won't put in the work is still a screw up
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Post by coachblue on Nov 22, 2005 22:06:29 GMT -6
see ya
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Post by saintrad on Nov 22, 2005 23:13:16 GMT -6
ask him this...how can he expect his players to be on time and to execute an assignment if THEIR coach (read as rolemodel) cannot his assignments?
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Post by coachcalande on Nov 22, 2005 23:53:26 GMT -6
coach, ill take a different approach than some... have you put your expectations of this coach and the rest of the staff in writing? you say you arent blunt...does that mean you arent communicating? you say you think he might not be supportive of you...are you feeling threatened or paranoid? if so, you need to open the lines of communication. I worked for a guy who was 10 years my junior and he got that weird little tingle in his toes too...but it was just paranoia and it killed our relationship. you have to have open and honest communication. you said the guy was good with the kids...thats great. thats very important. he might be worth keeping...but you do have to trust the guy. can you build the relationship so that he can be kept? can you use "coaching self evaluation" as a way to discuss his absenses? can you provide "corrective feedback" and redesign your expectations of him.... or is it a lost cause? if he lacks "want to" it is a lost cause. my suggestion... CALL HIM IMMEDIATELY, TALK TO HIM, NOT TO THE GUYS (LIKE ME) ON THIS BOARD EMAIL HIM AND THE REST OF YOUR STAFF TO PLAN YOUR POST SEASON MEETING...HAVE COACHING CONTRACTS WITH EXPECTATIONS (SEE MY PACKET) ready for their review...i suggest self evaluations and a 1:1 evaluation with you...did they meet your expectations, or better yet, did you even give them expectations? meeting time...have the entire staff formulate a "staff philosophy"..."our program" "our staff" "our responsibility' ...maybe coach needs to take a volunteer role rather than be cut completely loose? again, just some thoughts. OPEN AND HONEST communication. without it, your sunk.
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Post by saintrad on Nov 23, 2005 0:05:50 GMT -6
well said....
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Post by brophy on Nov 23, 2005 14:49:47 GMT -6
well said....way to 'spell it out', calande! leadership is tough...can't take anything for granted.
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Post by ststeve on Nov 23, 2005 22:15:40 GMT -6
calande, you hit the nail on the head. an while I do not think i spell things out explicitly enough in general. I've already spoken with this coach about meeting attendance and punctuallity this past summer. Also, you are right about talkign to the guy/staff first. One thing I think is funny, is that I do use, our, we, us , all plural possessive pronouns. However, the staff often seems reluctant to step up and provide more input/opinions. I ask, but they don't give much. I'm just curious as to why this is? I need to ask them and will at our next meeting. thanks for all the help guys. and nothing can be taken for granted.
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Post by coachcalande on Nov 24, 2005 8:29:41 GMT -6
coach, you spoke to him, got to get your expectations in writing, for yourself and for the others....Ill gently recommend you design a COACHING CONTRACT. You can even include things like FINES for failing to show up for meetings(you need to schedule meetings IN ADVANCE even when you dont need them, then you cancel them rather than trying to get one together at the last second...follow?)...you can hide a fine in "penalties" such as "dirty work" or even having to buy pizza for the staff for film review or whatever...build it into the program. You have to let the staff know what is important to you so that i will be important to them. you should also build in rewards...ie "coach of the month" in the offseason...give the most available coach and his wife a gift certificate to a steak joint or whatever....responsibility comes with trust...the guys you trust get a bigger role...the others, they have to earn your trust...it will start with signing a contract that explains their jobs to them up front. they will learn to follow your lead if they know the plan. do they know your offensive adn defensive philosophy? does it change like the weather? if it does, thats a problem for the staff....do they know WHY YOU COACH?...ie, the effects on the kids. do you know why they coach?... ...lets explore why the staff might be reluctant to offer input...are they fearful of having ideas rejected or shot down? or have they lost confidence in you and secretly want you to fail? I have seen that, not a great way to do business. or, and this is a biggie...do you micromanage everything to the point of having robots who cant think for themselves? thats bad too. or maybe, they are just truly not invested? Id like to hear more about why you think they dont offer much. some guys dont do much more than collect a pay check... one thing to really consider....DO THEY KNOW WHAT YOUR VISION OF THE PROGRAM IS? DO THEY KNOW WHAT THE MISSION IS? DO THEY KNOW WHERE YOU WANT THE PROGRAM TO GO AND WHAT YOUR PLAN IS....ILL SAY IT AGAIN, DO THEY KNOW WHAT YOUR PLAN IS?....True story, two guys I worked for, both ran losing programs...never put together coaching contracts, plans, philosophies, manuals, practice plans...nothing. three coaching meetings in 5 years. at one we shot pool, at another the head coach and his buddy played video games....at another this coach introduced this entire new no huddle system (which never worked and was tossed out by halftime of the first game)....think about that. and my favorite...one guy left practices to run open gyms for girls basketball or drew basketball plays in AUGUST!!! now who would follow that guy??? he might have been a great guy but not a great leader. ...IM REALLY RAMBLING HERE, but lets go back to the guy not showing up for the banquet...do you sell your assistants to the kids and parents??? that is so important. or are they invisible at banquets? I know for me, i think its important for each assistant to feel that the coach is PROUD to have them on staff. Coach, Id really love to hear what comes from your meeting. This is all very interesting stuff.
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Post by ststeve on Nov 24, 2005 23:23:10 GMT -6
coach, concerning the contracts, I am going to get something in writing before the meeting. so that they know what is expected during this offseason. I do feel like I upped the commitment level on them that past offseason, but I warned/told them that going into the last offseason. My plan for the next meeting is to do several things. 1. Eval the staff as a whole, things we did well and not so well. Including why I thought things went like that. 2. Address the issue of philosophy. do they know why I do what I oldo, my expectations of the program, kids. They should know what I expect from the Offense and Defense, b/c we have talked about philosophy a lot in the past. ` 3. Set the Schedule for the winter, clinics, meetings, etc. For clinics, I ask them to type up their notes. This serves two purposes, it forces us to individually go through what we heard, and it lets me put together a clinic manual from everything we've heard over the year. I'll probably do what we did last year which was meet once a month. We go meeting to meeting with scheduling them. I always get them to tell me when they are available, then if needed, I'll cancel. Like you said. 4. Give them the coaching contracts/expectation sheets. I do this with my players, but I didn't expect to have to do this with adults, but like brophy said, take nothing for granted. I'll let you know how it goes.
No on to your other points, and I'd love any other input by the way. Staff Input: I do have a tendency to micromanage or try to do everything my self. I have just been disappointed, by other coaches, some on staff, some not. What I mean is that if I would ask for something to get done, such as writing your position manual to put in the coaches' manuals, and it doesn't get done. there are other examples. so if something needs to get done, I feel I have to do it. That being said, I ALWAYS ask for input on pretty much everything we do. We're pretty young as a staff, so experience may play a role. we ahve two older guys (40's) on staff, and only one will really offer opinions, which he does constantly, but he knows a lot so that's GREAT. the other guy (the one who missed the banquet) will sometimes offer opinions, but I think he got his feelings hurt when we decided to go away from "his" offense for this year.
banquets and coaches: at the beginning of the year, we have a cookout, and I intro all of the coaches talk about them and tell what they will be doing on staff. At the banquet, we each present one of the awards we give out.
Plans, etc We have a defensive and offensive manual (w/ what the coaches have submitted to me). Team rules are set by the players' council in the spring. They get a practice plan that is laid out in 24 5 minute periods. We set the game plan for the week on sundays and go over what to focus on at each practice also on sundays, so if they miss that meeting they miss a lot, even though I started typing up that gameplan for those that miss. In terms of evals, we fill out forms given to us by the AD. I allow them to self eval, and then go over it with them individually at the end of the year. I think I should allow them to eval me this year.
anything else??? i think I caught the rambling bug. =) I'll end by saying that I try to lead by example. I work my butt off, and expect others to as well. However, I have learned that some people just don't know how, and somepeople just don't want to.
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Post by coachjd on Nov 25, 2005 5:53:22 GMT -6
It looks like you have a plan and that is great. The lines of communication are being opened up between you and your coaches and that is a great way to build a staff and figure out who is with you or against you.
Getting everyone on the same page is crucial, like you said, you assumed they were adults they would do it on their own. Creating the staff expections is huge. I would also sit your coordinators down and come up with job descriptions for each position coach, coordinators and head coach. Define their job responsiblities etc....
The staff evels are awesome and allowing the assistants to eval you is a good way for you to improve as well. You may not like everything you read, but again your trying to improve along with your staff.
Good luck.
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Post by coachcalande on Nov 25, 2005 8:01:04 GMT -6
outstanding.
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