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Post by boblucy on Nov 19, 2005 7:52:30 GMT -6
My freshman year of high school, the varsity team lost a playoff game to a powerhouse 61-0. I was suited up and was on the sidelines as freshman were allowed to do so at my school. The coach of this powerhouse at one point in that 1993 season, had posted 8 consecutive shutouts. They averaged 55 points a game and just pummeled everyone they played. Coaches from around the league complained about this coach "protecting shutouts", and piling on points. In the newspaper, the coach said very deftly, "I'm not going to let another team's upperclassmen score on my freshman late in the fourth quarter, its not fair to my varsity or my freshman." Then this coach said something that really woke me up. He said in the paper, that "Other teams scoring is not my responsibility. If they work hard, they'll improve and then they'll score, thats how this game works." Brilliant. From then on, anytime my team lost by any outrageous score again, I thought back to that quote. Anytime something in my life was not right, I thought back to that quote- "work hard=improvement". Losing 61-0 was a huge life lesson. After that game, our whole team got into the weight room and stayed there the entire offseason. And, by the way, this coach had 10 different ball carriers with atleast 25 carries a piece during this 1993 season. He was not really running up the score....But people thought he was....
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Post by saintrad on Nov 19, 2005 9:33:02 GMT -6
I would have to agree with that coach, it's not his responsibility for how your team plays. I have been on both sides of that situation. If my JVs or Freshmen can beat your Varsity, that is your problem and not mine; and thats a great confidience builder for my underclassmen.
Now about dressing every freaking football player in your program for a home game is down right strange. THe only people that should suit for a varsity game is the varsity and the selected JVers that have the potential to play in the game. I cannot stand having to babysit 40 plus players that have no hope of ever playing in our game.
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Post by carson101 on Nov 19, 2005 9:46:29 GMT -6
We did it differently, if the varsity made the playoffs, we would bring up everyone and run three offenses with everything the other team would throw at us. our defense would work their tail off. during game time after we were in a comfortable lead usually 30-0 by the half the second offense would go in third qtr., the best players of jv and frosh would make up our third offense and go in fourth we would still win usually giving up 12 to 14 points and ending the game 48 - ? giving all the kids a chance but if the opponet was tough we stick with 1st o/1st d we still kept all the kids up for the practice though thats why they are still a powerhouse today.
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Post by saintrad on Nov 19, 2005 14:47:27 GMT -6
playoffs are a different story, but dressing your 52 varsity players AND 35 of your top JV and Freshman players is a little too much.
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Post by ststeve on Nov 20, 2005 0:12:53 GMT -6
when I was in HS ( gotta love stories that start that way) we dressed anyone who came to the preseason. Anyone who made it through was automatically on Varsity. JV didn't start until the 1st or 2nd day of school. At the end of the year, everyone who finished the year was allowed to come up for the last game or two of the varsity season. we do the same thing where I coach now.
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Post by saintrad on Nov 20, 2005 13:14:53 GMT -6
i dont like th ebabysitting aspect of having ALL players that qualified for something (that is too easy to qualify for) on the sidelines. They tend ot be a disruption/distraction, lack the insight to maybe learn from what is going on, and plus...they drink up all the gatorade too.
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Post by shortyardage on Nov 20, 2005 21:10:35 GMT -6
Blow out games don't teach alot to anyone.
True, it isn't the winning coaches responsibility to take care of the opponent, but it is EVERY coaches responsibility to take care of the game. Running up the score turns alot of people off to the game (usually the losers). The kids grow up and they become superintendents who hate football and then vote to drop the sport altogether. Where would Mr. Not-My-Responsibility be if he had no one to play ?
I pull up everyone who is eligible for the play-offs. It's at least one extra week of padded practice for the lower level and returning kids. The varsity staff can see them up close and personal for better evaluation during practice. If they cause a distraction then they are dis-invited to be in the team for the play-offs and that goes into their file for future correction. I can always get the boosters to buy us more Gatorade.
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Post by Coach Huey on Nov 20, 2005 21:25:23 GMT -6
1) play to win the game
................when that is secured
2) play to get the backups valuable experience running the entire offense while keeping the starters from getting injured
............once that's done but still time left in game
3) play the 3rd stringers & ROY's (Rest Of Ya'll) to make everyone happy. execute most basic of plays (uh, they probably can't do much more than that anyway)
.............. these should be the objectives NOT keeping the score down. however, this usually insures the score will be more respectable than embarrasing.
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Post by tye2021 on Nov 21, 2005 12:51:18 GMT -6
My question is this. Is it still running up the score if a coach simply hands it off to a 2nd, 3rd or 4th string runningback and you can't stop him! You can't ask a kid to play at half speed because you risk injuries. You can't ask the QB to take a knee 3 times and punt because that will also turn off kids mainly the losing defense. But also players on the winning team. Not to mention fans.
I beleive you run your offense in the third quater the same way you did in the first quarter except you plug in your back ups so that they can get some game experience. Once you get into the fourth and the game is out of reach you can throttle back your attack and run all your base run plays. This will at least keep the game clock running. Now if you are a running team, other than taking out your starters their isn't much you can do.
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Post by DLine06 on Nov 21, 2005 13:41:58 GMT -6
Last year, my h.s. played different teams at home and managed to take out their star RB, Def. ends, and some LB's at the end of the 1st qtr.
I'm not a big fan of running the score up until you have your 3rd-4th string in. Then it's just sad that the opponents couldn't just stop the benchies.
Sam Harell, Coach at Ennis won a state championship last year in the 4A Div. 1 Bracket. His kids defeated a team called Athens 80-3. Lots of people have jumped his case about it. He talked to the papers saying, "What was I suppose to do? I had my 3rd and 4th string kids in who haven't played much, if any at all this season?"
Lot of the reason the score was so high was not because of the talent difference but the hungriness and desireful 2nd-4th string players because they want to play and they want to make an impact on the game.
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Post by mitch on Nov 21, 2005 13:56:06 GMT -6
I agree with the original post on this thread. It's not the winning team's fault that so many points were scored. I have been on both ends of this thing, and it is not fun for either side. However, when we've been on the bad end of a big blowout, we always took th blame on our shoulders. I feel like blaming someone else for you being bad is not going to make you better.
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Post by tribepride on Nov 21, 2005 13:56:29 GMT -6
I have no problem with teams that put in their 2-3-4th string kids and still put up points. The teams that keep their 1st string kids in and run up the score tend to get my attention. I used to coach for (he retired) the coach with the most state championships in MN. His philosophy was.......a win is a win, it doesn't matter if you win by 1 or 100 and get your 1st string players out as soon as possible in blowouts to protect them from injury. He was concerning about the playoffs, not how many points/yards he put up in a game.
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Post by coachcalande on Nov 21, 2005 16:07:06 GMT -6
Isnt it funny that we have "the Heisman trophy" and the guy coached a game that ended with a final score of 222-0. I guess blowouts are just part of the game really. Don Markham recently posted a score of 108-20 over a hapless team...did he run it up? they scored all of their points on 25 or so plays. 14 different ball carriers I think.
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Post by boblucy on Nov 21, 2005 17:05:04 GMT -6
In 2003, Bob Stoops had Texas A+M down 77-0 with 11 minutes to go in the game. OU could have easily gotten 100....That is nothing but poor preparation by Dennis Francione. In 2002, A+M beat OU with R.C. Slocum in control and the next year they get beat like that?  ? I hope A+M is happy with Franchione. Alumni put millions into the program every year, and what do they get?? R.C. Slocum was a good coach, hope the alums are happy now... |
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Post by vtjapes on Nov 22, 2005 8:31:45 GMT -6
My question is this. Is it still running up the score if a coach simply hands it off to a 2nd, 3rd or 4th string runningback and you can't stop him! You can't ask a kid to play at half speed because you risk injuries. You can't ask the QB to take a knee 3 times and punt because that will also turn off kids mainly the losing defense. But also players on the winning team. Not to mention fans. I beleive you run your offense in the third quater the same way you did in the first quarter except you plug in your back ups so that they can get some game experience. Once you get into the fourth and the game is out of reach you can throttle back your attack and run all your base run plays. This will at least keep the game clock running. Now if you are a running team, other than taking out your starters their isn't much you can do. Florida State did that through the 90's and look where it took them. They were good the next year b/c the "new" starters had played close to 10-12 quarters of football the year before. |
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Post by saintrad on Nov 22, 2005 12:04:59 GMT -6
i (being a true aggie fan) am not happy with the idiot (IMO)...i mean Francchione.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2005 14:42:31 GMT -6
I came from a high school program that got blown out regularly, so as many of you have stated, I have experience on both sides of route games. My belief is that you play the game and execute the game plan for the first three quarters. After that, the 2nd and third team gets in, but still executes the proper game play if they are capable. Another point, what about a late game pass by the team who is up big? To me, a 2nd string QB has a right to execute a throw as well, not just turn and hand off every play.
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? I hope A+M is happy with Franchione. Alumni put millions into the program every year, and what do they get?? R.C. Slocum was a good coach, hope the alums are happy now...