zexx14
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Post by zexx14 on Jul 12, 2007 19:02:47 GMT -6
Looking for baseball guys to answer a question. It seems our Legion baseball players have been told that if they go to FB camp with us, they would become ineligible to complete their Legion season. I went to the rules on the American Legion web site and I can't seem to find such a rule. Can anyone give me some input on this situation?
Thanks
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Post by coachjd on Jul 12, 2007 20:48:28 GMT -6
I would call Bull sh@$ on that one. Our kids who play legion baseball are at all of our 7 on 7's, team camps etc... baseball coach is selling these kids out.
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Post by schultbear74 on Jul 12, 2007 21:02:29 GMT -6
We have had a similar problem here. The baseball guy needs to be adjusted
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Post by spartancoach on Jul 13, 2007 4:53:25 GMT -6
Baseball coaches suck.
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Post by briangilbert on Jul 13, 2007 9:10:55 GMT -6
Couldn't agree more Spartancoach
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Post by jjkuenzel on Jul 13, 2007 12:05:11 GMT -6
There is absolutely no way in hell that rule exists. JD is right. Call BS on the coach and maybe even give him a piece of your mind while you are at it.
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Post by CoachJohnsonMN on Jul 13, 2007 18:52:06 GMT -6
I am so thankful that I am not the only one who competes with Legion pussball during the summer. We have boys who are playing Legion two-three nights a week, varsity basketball league once per week, and some also play J.V. basketball once a week. They are busy Sunday through Thursday playing in games. Our boys spend the whole summer playing games that when we have passing camps, OL camps, and overall team camps, they lose interest quickly because it is "practice". They desire the instant gratification and limited commitment of these two other sports because all they have to do is show up and play. No drill work--no expectation of improvement--no "earning the victory". It really sucks that we have to compete with this right before our season.
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Post by poweriguy on Jul 13, 2007 19:49:27 GMT -6
Before everybody gets their panties in a bunch, I would suggest talking DIRECTLY TO THE BASEBALL COACH IN QUESTION!
I've coached baseball for over 10 years, and when a kids tells you something that just doesn't sound right, 98% of the time it isn't right.
Find out what is going on with with the legion coach. More than likely he'll let you know what is going on and what he has scheduled. I wouldn't trust what those players said because it sounds so unreasonable. Heck, you are posting here asking about it, so obviously your BS meter has gone off. So I would go to the coach (if you don't know him , introduce yourself, you know just be cool about it) and tell him what the players told you. You just might find out that what you were told by the players might be a "half truth" or an exaggeration. Like I've said, I've coached baseball for over 10 years , and I've never heard of anything that unreasonable before. Also it just might be a few kids trying to get out of your football camp.
I've run into this situation before, kids saying they had to miss a week of baseball for some passing league tournament. I've never heard of a passing tournament taking a whole week , so I contacted the head fb coach. He let me know that they scheduled the tournament around our schedule so the kids could make our baseball games . And after our talk, he said he would have a nice long conversation with the boys about commitment at football practice. So it ended up being kids wanting to goof off at the expense of baseball. And that's what it kind of sounds like here.
But rules wise:
I don't know about American Legion, but in Sr. Babe Ruth, a player must play 10 games in order to be eligible for district,state, regional playoffs. Nothing about not being able to finish a season. Plus, most if not all baseball governing bodies, strongly support participation by all kids, so no way would there be a rule saying if you miss a week for a camp you are done for the year. That's just crazy.
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Post by wildcat on Jul 13, 2007 20:54:55 GMT -6
No offense, but most of the Legion baseball coaches I know are total douschebags who tell their kids crap like this all of the time...
Problem is that most of the Legion coaches (around here at least) are usually local legend has-beens who coach simply because it makes them a big fish in a small pond.
Guys like that have too big of an ego to feed to cooperate with the coaches of school-sponsored sports.
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Post by ttowntiger on Jul 15, 2007 12:19:34 GMT -6
In my opinion, baseball might be the biggest stumbling block of all for trying to build and/or maintain a football program. I don't know how many good football players have quit so they can concentrate on baseball (ie specialize). All these travel ball coaches try to get their players to play baseball all year round and convince them they need to specialize. What these kids and their parents don't understand is that there is very little scholarship money in college baseball. And unless you're good enough to be drafted in the first 5-10 rounds of the draft, you will be playing for peanuts. I've come to despise baseball. It cuts into the time that is most critical as far as preparation for the coming football season.
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Post by gulfcoastoffense on Jul 15, 2007 13:00:01 GMT -6
I have always believed summer is for football conditioning. Baseball coach at the new school says summer is for baseball. If the coach put as much stock into the school baseball season that he does in summer leagues, maybe they would've done better than 2-28 last year. Summer is for football. Just like summer is for cross country conditioning, volleyball conditioning, and any other fall sport. Bottom line, school sports take precedence over rec league sports. If baseball doesnt interfere with football, then play baseball. If it does interfere, decide whats more important.
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trojan
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Post by trojan on Jul 18, 2007 21:41:39 GMT -6
About a dozen of my 7th graders play baseball after my football camp. This is the time when we put in 85% of our offense, so I respect their commitment to football. I am lucky to have a prominent varsity football program (for our area) that the kids want to be a part of.
For the record, I couldn't care less about baseball...
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marboo59
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Post by marboo59 on Jul 18, 2007 21:44:50 GMT -6
3 important kids of mine missed camp tonight for F***** Legion Ball...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2007 7:03:28 GMT -6
Our local Legion program makes the kids sign an agreement that they will only attend one summer camp of any kind. After that the kids acknowledge that they can be dismissed from the team. I knew the Legion board didn't like the camps, but until this year it was just "discouraged." What a good way to punish kids. I won't buy their season tickets anymore and won't support their fundraisers.
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mcdade
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Post by mcdade on Jul 20, 2007 22:27:43 GMT -6
hold the Phone all you baseball bashers... The only conflict i've come across is regarding major league baseball try-outs. For some reason, they always say you have to have written permission from your legion coach before trying out.  ? Sounds to me like the legion coach is grouping all camps together...probably mis communication. I'd go ask him about the rule. We have kids that do both in the summer. And yes, generation of boys have grown up playing baseball in the summer. To say that summer is not for baseball just adds to the miscommunication, IMO. |
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Post by schultbear74 on Jul 20, 2007 22:55:12 GMT -6
The problem is one that can be solved by a good athletic director and good communication. the great sin here is that kids are forced to make a choice by adults who should be looking out for the total athletic program.
Legion coaches will always promote their sport and kids will always look for the easy way out. Get on the same page.
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Post by touchdowng on Jul 20, 2007 23:15:37 GMT -6
To Gulfcoastoffense -
Our HS FB program (only going into it's 3rd season) struggles due to the success of our baseball programs. Our HS BB team played in the state semi's and all of players play legion ball. Many go to "showcase" tournaments during the summer months where there are supposedly pro and college scouts.
However, it's the parents who are as sick as some of the BB coaches. Our BB coach keeps a pretty even keel and will plan as much of his summer off of our FB calendar as he can control. The parents and players are chasing those 25% scholarships. Mom and Dad just want to tell their office co-workers that Johnny got a scholarship (no mentions of partials) and now they justify the thousands and thousands of dollars they've dumped into select and legion teams. One boy at our school told me that his parents have paid over $30,000 over the past 5 years for select ball. He was all state as a junior, all league as a senior and is going to play at the local community college for tuition. He would have been a heck of a cornerback. What a waste.
I have mom's tell me that they don't want their boy risking injury and messing up their baseball careers. I tell them to keep Johnny in bed and hope there isn't an earthquake and to have a good day.
I am sick of this tug of war over kids and will just coach the kids who show up.
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Post by flycoach on Jul 21, 2007 3:37:51 GMT -6
3 important kids of mine missed camp tonight for F***** Legion Ball...
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coacher
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Post by coacher on Jul 21, 2007 19:07:31 GMT -6
This is why Track Rules! If you want a great football program get you football players out for track! This will eliminate that problem.
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Post by ttowntiger on Jul 21, 2007 21:24:11 GMT -6
I agree 100% Coacher! The best programs like Southlake Carroll and Byrnes (SC) REQUIRE their players to run track. To me, the athletic skills required in football, basketball, and track are similar. Baseball is totally different.
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mcdade
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Post by mcdade on Jul 22, 2007 11:41:23 GMT -6
There are several HS that are successful in baseball and football. We lose more athletes to Basketball because the Basketball coach doesn't coach football. Most HS baseball coaches coach football and encourage the athletes to do both.
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Post by ttowntiger on Jul 22, 2007 12:39:34 GMT -6
I would much rather see my players play basketball than baseball. Basketball helps you become a better athlete, especially helping footwork, change of direction, and quickness. There is really no corellation at all between the athletic skills required for football, basketball, and track and the skills required for baseball. Look at it this way. You see a lot of Pillsbury Dough boys who have great fine motor skills required to hit a baseball and/or have a strong throwing arm. But how many of these Pillsbury Dough boys are ATHLETES? Some of the best football, basketball, and track athletes I have seen are some of the sorriest baseball players in the world. Baseball is more hand/eye coordination and fine motor skillls related. Football is very much a gross motor skills (ie big muscles) oriented sport. There is a lot you can do to make yourself a better football player. Baseball is a sport that you either have it or you don't, not a lot you can do. To me, baseball players are a lot like NASCAR drivers. Are NASCAR drivers skilled at what they do? Absolutely! But are they athletes? He!! no! (despite what some say)
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