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Post by senatorblutarsky on Jan 10, 2008 10:15:13 GMT -6
I'd like to hear from anyone in a state with a "zero" week.
What we (Nebraska) define as a week zero is this:
The regular season begins on a certain date (this year it was Aug. 30). A zero week is where schools are allowed to play one week earlier if they can not get a full schedule in the weeks designated as the regular season. This year, our zero week began on Aug. 23. Generally there are about 10-15 games across the state during zero week here.
Here is my question(s) if your state has a week zero:
1. Are the teams who play in week 0 allowed by your state association to begin practice earlier than the normal starting practice date?
2. Do teams who do not play in week 0, but DO play an opponent in week 1 who played a week 0 game get to practice earlier than the normal starting date?
In Nebraska, it is yes for both- teams who play week 0 OR play a week 1 opponent who played that week BOTH get to start practice 1 week earlier.
In Colorado (through 2002 anyway), week 0 participants began practice on the same date as everybody else- there were no early practice allowances.
I am writing a proposal for our state that has to do with this, so any info. on other state policies would be very helpful.
Thanks.
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Post by cjkal30 on Jan 10, 2008 10:23:17 GMT -6
In NJ Zero Wk teams start pratice a week earlier than everyone else. If you play a team with a zero wk in wk 1 you are not allowed to start earlier. In NJ most teams play zero wk only a few leagues still wait until wk one. The reason is zero wk teams have given up there thanksgiving day games or put a bye in the schedule, the leagues that start wk 1 will not do away with thansgiving day games. Teams that start wk 1 are now having a tough time scheduling scrimmages b/c everyone else is starting zero wk so not a lot of teams left to scrimmage for us wk 1 starters.
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Post by coachbdud on Jan 10, 2008 11:36:38 GMT -6
Previously in CA you had to apply for a week 0 game like a year ahead of time and get it passed by your section, this upcoming year there is a rule change and althogh no longer refer to it as week 0 everyone has 11 weeks to play 10 games. We chose to play week 0 next year when we made our non league schedule because we felt having a bye week before we start league play will be very beneficial for us
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Post by wingtol on Jan 10, 2008 16:14:11 GMT -6
No zero week here(PA). You start full pads two weeks before your first game. Two scrimmages those weeks and then everyone starts the same week 1.
So what are the pro's/con's of zero week pretty new concept for me
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Post by senatorblutarsky on Jan 11, 2008 1:11:18 GMT -6
So what are the pro's/con's of zero week pretty new concept for me
I can not speak for others, but in Nebraska- as far as I can see, the only real "pro" is that it gives more teams an opportunity to have a full schedule. Our state does the scheduling here... we (coaches, ADs) can give suggestions, but the state association makes up the schedule. Zero week is used when two schools do not have a full schedule and are in similar classes (within 1 classification), but one might have an open date week 2, the other may have an open date week 4... so they gat matched up 1 week prior to the "first contest date".
We have never played a week 0 game (I have asked for it, but it is not likely- we have enough schools in our class within 100 mi.), but I think that having an extra week to practice AND a bye week is a little bit of overkill.
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Post by CVBears on Jan 11, 2008 10:03:53 GMT -6
our zero week is something different. It is for scrimmage only, so the game does not go on to the teams' record. With that said, the teams start practice the same time as those without a zero week game.
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Post by senatorblutarsky on Jan 11, 2008 10:31:44 GMT -6
our zero week is something different. It is for scrimmage only, so the game does not go on to the teams' record. With that said, the teams start practice the same time as those without a zero week game.
What state? Again, I'm trying to get as much info as I can as to who does what... since our zero week teams get an extra week of practice, the ADs who vote on proposals are reluctant to move our start date up 1 week... as it is now, we play a playoff game every 5 days (5 games in 4 weeks), and the only way to alleviate this is move the season up, but there is resistance to having some schools start in July (which would happen in some years if they play week 0).
I am trying to get a list together of states who DO NOT ALLOW an early start for Zero week participants. My intention is that if we can show enough other states start everyone on the same date, we might be able to solve the issue of moving the start date for the regular season up a week if we can convince our state association to follow the practice of other states. This way we can play playoff games every Friday (or Saturday) and not have our (current) stupid Thursday, Wednesday, Monday, Saturday, Thursday schedule during playoffs (any guesses on how much gets accomplished in school during that month?)
I tried to search on the internet for this... results are somewhat convoluted, so I thought this might be a better way to find out info.
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Post by wingtol on Jan 11, 2008 15:12:13 GMT -6
Sounds like a unique situation out there. Weird how the state association does the schedule. Also playoff games every 5 days? SO you could play Fri and Wed in the playoffs?
I know its a bit off subject but I love the way our schedule is, two weeks of practice with two scrimmages then the season starts 10 games( some teams play 9 and schedule a bye instead of an indipendent gaem) then its 6 games to win states for most teams. Some might play 14-15 due to district sizes. Works well I think easy to follow and everyone is on the same page.
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Post by senatorblutarsky on Jan 11, 2008 16:07:29 GMT -6
Sounds like a unique situation out there. Weird how the state association does the schedule. Also playoff games every 5 days? SO you could play Fri and Wed in the playoffs?
The state has been doing schedules since 2002. Some justification due to 2 reasons: no one would be willing to play good smaller schools (loss of power points), and the north central part of the state (where there actually IS a sign "welcome to the middle of nowhere") had a hard time getting full schedules without going to South Dakota. On the down side it has really hurt rivalries, and really puts you at the mercy of the state for a schedule (too many good teams with weak schedules that are solely based on geography... 8-0 teams end up with lower seeds due to no fault of their own). We've been in 3 different districts in 4 classification cycles (every 2 years).
RE: playoffs, The 5 days between games is hard on kids... harder on coaches. I haven't taught nor slept in November in 16 years...
What we are trying to change OUR system to one like you guys have.
Even without a change, we might get some relief now that the U of Nebraska will have games on our championship weekend. We are moving the day of the finals to Mon and Tues- so we might get 6 days between games, which gives at least 1 day to acquire film and break it down. Still, it makes sense to have a game every 7 days rather than every 5... especially in the playoffs... It is vital when your roster consists of 16 players (which we will have unless we get several move ins next year).
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Post by pegleg on Jan 11, 2008 18:19:27 GMT -6
in texas you have 11 weeks to play 10 games. the playing weeks begin last friday in august.
all schools start practice the same time....first monday in august. unless you have spring ball, then you start the second monday in august.
if you play zero week you can only have 1 scrimage........if you don't play zero week you can have two scrimmages.
also, if you play zero week you will have a bye week at some point........bye are set in accordance with the district schedule.
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