gunraid
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Post by gunraid on Apr 2, 2007 3:46:37 GMT -6
Coaches I need some help. I coach over in Europe, and we're smack in the middle of our season over here. We've just lost our last two games in the most frustrating manners. Each time we come out strong in the game and we either had a two touchdown lead for the entire first half, or we were even with the nr1 ranked team for the entire first half. Then the second half starts and we come out flat. We tell our guys at half time that it's a 4 quarter football game, that it isn't won yet just because we had a good first half, that we need to finish strong, treat it like a 0-0 ball game and everything. The players always seem to aknowledge this, and then we come out in the third quarter and we're flat, on all sides of the ball. Seems like we're complacent, and that we lack the mental strength to push on through when things are going good. We somehow get into cruise mode instead of finishing it off. We've talked about it among our coaching staff, and we don't have any answers right now. Anyone have any ideas? We have 2 games left in the season, and I would like for us to finish strong.
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Post by kcbazooka on Apr 2, 2007 5:44:29 GMT -6
Maybe they don't understand english?!?!? Sorry, couldn't resist...
Are they losing in the second half because of lack of strength or conditioning? Conditioning you can do something about fairly quickly - strength may take more time.
Maybe situational practice - have teaching periods where you are are protecting a lead and emphasize playing hard.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2007 7:24:25 GMT -6
I think it goes back to the quote "more games are lost than won."
Just my opinion, but if you're playing well enough to be in those games and maybe not always as talented then your guys are achieving and over-achieving in the first half. They're excited and playing at the speed and pace of the other squad. They may not even know that they're playing as well as they are. Then the break comes and it's difficult to get back into that rhythm and pace. But the other team is keeping up the pace long enough to grab momentum.
One thing you set caught me in this situation. We all tell our guys that it's still a 0-0 game. The more I've been thinking about it, the less I like saying it. A lot of guys come out in a 0-0 game and are nervous. By acknowledging sometimes that it's 0-0 I think we can get our guys to revert back to pregame jitters a bit. I've kind of stopped telling them that even if we're tied.
If we're up a few at half then I give the same talk as I would if we're up 14--that if the offense will get us a score, we'll go out and get a stop and we'll be able to blow it open. We talk to our guys a lot about "smelling blood". You've gotta smell a little blood and go for the kill. I think that in a tie situation you aren't going for the kill, you're trying to be the first one to get a leg up--you play safe which kids often equate "safe" with "cautious" which often means that they analyze every element of it which translates into playing slow.
If we're down a few points at half I like to give em the "right here right now" approach. That there's nothing left to worry about because if nothing changes then we lose. If we aren't willing to take that chance then we'll end up right where we are now. Make a stop, score a TD, get back to how it's supposed to be done.
I'm not criticizing what you all do at halftime. In no way am I implying that. But I've been looking at it from a different perspective and realize that I myself was buying into that. We are an aggressive football team. Defensively we are going to fly around and we will hit. But my first call of the game is always a very, VERY safe call. I am scared to death of getting beat deep for a score the first play of the game or the half. So my call is always safe. My guys know that we'll play safe the first play of the game, then if situation allows we'll blitz em hard the next play.
But my guys have learned that we'll fly around all first half, come in at halftime, talk about flying around, and then come out and have a safe call that sets a tone. Not anymore. Now we start the second half very, very aggressively. Let them be safe to start the half. We'll be dynamic.
But to get that it's like bazooka said, situational practice. When we do a red zone set I always start with a blitz. It's practice, if we get beat for a score in practice it doesn't hurt our playoff chances. I believe that we build a lot of our tenacity and drive in that daily red zone session.
I guess mostly this is just my philosophical thoughts on being tied.
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Post by ajreaper on Apr 2, 2007 11:35:30 GMT -6
Irish- nice post a great deal of good info there. One thing I might add is right before you run team O or D do some quick conditioning- get them winded a bit and physically uncomfortable. This requires them to mentally focus and demonstrate mental as well as physicall toughness. And certainly if in your opinion they are losing games in the second half because they are not as well conditioned as their opponent then step that up.
Another suggestion I'd make is be specific at halftime about what you'd like to do to start the 2nd half. Don't just say play 4 quarters tell them specifically what your goals are to start the 2nd half. I tell my kids the start of the game and the start of the 2nd half are critical times in all ball games- use these time to set the tone. For example to start the 2nd half I'll tell my guys our goals defensively are 3 and outs on 2 of their 1st 3 possessions and a turn over- anything less and we failed to eastablish the desired tone. Offensively we want no 3 and outs early with a TD in one or our 1st 3 possessions. We do not always manage to do this but I think being very specific vs. generic is important.
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Post by brophy on Apr 2, 2007 11:47:12 GMT -6
how competitive are your practices?
What kind of control do you try to put on the tempo of the game ending the half & begining the half?
You'll notice college & pro games have a typical lull starting out both halves.
When I think about it....we are usually trying to build a cresendo before the game starts.......mental focus, hyped pre-game speeches, hey-let's-get-ready!........
then after halftime, it's "get fluids", "listen up", "pay attention"......blah blah..........now let's go on the field.
You don't have the same time to ramp the kids up (emotional) You have a (semi) clear understanding of what's going to work and what you need to change (intellectual) - so a lot of the stuff that actually happens at half-time is anti-climactic because they've just spent themselves for 28 minutes, had a lot of great plays, exterted themselves to an extraordinary point......now we pat them on the back, and expect them to do it all over again(?)
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Post by kscoach on Apr 2, 2007 12:02:13 GMT -6
We had this problem several years ago - we would play really well in the 1st half, then we would play very badly in the 2nd half. We solved this incorporating "halftime" into practice. At a set point in practice, we go to our designated halftime spots, talk about what we need to do in the 2nd part of practice, then go and have the last part of practice. This way, halftime was something they had done every day. We played much better in the 2nd half.
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Post by spartancoach on Apr 2, 2007 14:33:39 GMT -6
Following up on AJ's comment, we had this problem 2 years ago and we switched our conditioning from the end of practice to the middle, before competitive team/situational period. Working competitive team practice after conditioning seemed to help the kids perform at a higher level after they were tired.
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Post by coachveer on Apr 2, 2007 18:24:32 GMT -6
Coach- It all may be the case of you folks have a great game plan for the 1st half. However, these teams that are beating you may be coming up with better halftime adjustments.
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Post by ajreaper on Apr 3, 2007 12:22:13 GMT -6
That's possible maybe even likely in a game that's been basically even for a half but not as likely when you have a 2-3 TD lead. Either that or they make some amazing adjustments and both stop you and get the O cranked up and running. It may be helpful to do a complete self scout on yourselves for both 1st half and second half as well as look at what your opponent did in the second half.
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Post by phantom on Apr 3, 2007 12:40:15 GMT -6
Coaches I need some help. I coach over in Europe, and we're smack in the middle of our season over here. We've just lost our last two games in the most frustrating manners. Each time we come out strong in the game and we either had a two touchdown lead for the entire first half, or we were even with the nr1 ranked team for the entire first half. Then the second half starts and we come out flat. We tell our guys at half time that it's a 4 quarter football game, that it isn't won yet just because we had a good first half, that we need to finish strong, treat it like a 0-0 ball game and everything. The players always seem to aknowledge this, and then we come out in the third quarter and we're flat, on all sides of the ball. Seems like we're complacent, and that we lack the mental strength to push on through when things are going good. We somehow get into cruise mode instead of finishing it off. We've talked about it among our coaching staff, and we don't have any answers right now. Anyone have any ideas? We have 2 games left in the season, and I would like for us to finish strong. If European football is anything like club rugby in the U.S. the problem could be too many beers at halftime. Seriously, I'm reading each of these posts carefully because, after 27 years of coaching, it's still a mystery to me how teams can come out flat in the second half and even at the beginning of big games.
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gunraid
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Post by gunraid on Apr 4, 2007 1:17:18 GMT -6
Coaches,
thanks for the input so far. I don't have the feeling that we're outconditioned in the second half, but I do want to give conditioning before the team period a go, just to have them practice on being focused when they're tired. I've also introduced more situational practices where the offense is down and we need to score, and the defense needs to protect a lead etc... I think it's just a lack of focus though what's been killing us. We think that because we've scored a couple of times that the rest of the game will be easy.
And phantom, luckily football in europe isn't like club rugby in the US, at least not everywhere. I'm sure the situation of the beers at halftime exists in some places, but luckily that's not the case for us, nor for any other teams in our league. There are actually a lot of coaches and players putting in a lot of their time and energy to get the game to grow over here.
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