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Post by groundchuck on Feb 28, 2006 13:58:33 GMT -6
What are the primary advantages & disadvantages of the straight or "dead-t" formation versus the wishbone formation?
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needknowledge
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Post by needknowledge on Feb 28, 2006 15:12:05 GMT -6
The objectives are totally different. The split-t is a straight ahead faking offense where the two halfbacks are lined up next to the fullback. Faking is 90% of the split-t. The wishbone spends almost all of it's time going towards the sidelines! Unless its a FB dive, it's not going immediately forward like the split-t is. The wishbone QB is a real decision maker on the field, where the split-t QB has pretty much set plays that he runs. There are far more risks with the wishbone-pitches, where the split-t is all about hitting the holes straight ahead while carrying out fakes. However, teaching kids to carry out fakes for 7 yards with the T is as tough as teaching option pitching on the perimeter for the wishbone. I think running play action passes out of the wishbone is probably easier than in the split-t. Finding the right wishbone QB is harder than finding a split-t QB, that much is certain. The wrong boy running the wishbone will be almost certain disaster. He has a real heavy load to shoulder.
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Post by groundchuck on Feb 28, 2006 16:57:09 GMT -6
Lets take the option equation out of the wishbone for now. I know a few teams that use the wishbone solely as a power running formation and run no option. I guess I am looking at which formation is better for a power run game and for running the belly/double dive series. Or is it a wash?
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Post by coachnicholson on Feb 28, 2006 17:15:10 GMT -6
Ah yes, T and wishbone, two of my favorite formations in football. The belly series is certainly not a wash! In fact, a team in my area lives and dies with belly series from the straight T every year and they have been doing so for more than 2 decades. Watching this team drive up and down the field is truly a thing of beauty.
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Post by jhanawa on Feb 28, 2006 17:35:36 GMT -6
IMO, wishbone is better for everything except the lead belly. Better for option, it is better for power because your HB's are able to run downhill and keep their shoulders square rather than having a sharp angle to cut into the off tackle hole, better for Toss Sweep because of depth of HB's, better for counter because again the HB can run downhill on the scissors or crossbuck play, etc, etc,etc........
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2006 21:21:20 GMT -6
I think that it is a wash for power football and inside belly plays. I used to think that the wishbone gave you a little deeper halfback so that they could go downhill better for the inside belly play but I think that the T is just as good and it prevents the halfbacks from aligning too deep and being slow to the hole. As long as you keep the front the way you want it from TE to TE the advantages are basically the same.
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Post by bimandy on Feb 28, 2006 21:34:18 GMT -6
what do you think about running midline from the T? I am now in a decision making process on which to run. Either the T or the wishbone. Do you guys think you can still run the base plays of the Dead T in the wishbone as a change up?
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Post by paydirt18 on Feb 28, 2006 21:51:21 GMT -6
I think midline can be effective from whatever fromation/scheme you run: wing -t , bone, gun, etc.
When considering midline the first thing you have to look at I would think is the defense you will be facing.
I don't have his email, but "google" River Falls University in Wisconsin. HC John O'Grady loves the midline and is very coach friendly. He'll help you anyway that he can.
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Post by CoachBrink on Feb 28, 2006 22:31:23 GMT -6
The "T" is better, because of the possibility of the lead and the quick dive to the HB, with the "Bone" the HB is slower on the quick dive and it is impossible to the lead belly. The T also puts the HB one step closer for releasing into the passing game.
If you split both ends out, now you have a spread look with a fullhouse backfield. simple motion and you are in a trips set. You could do most this out of T or Bone, but the T gives you more options, because you can run a Wing-T type of offense or the triple option type.
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Post by coachnorm on Mar 1, 2006 7:53:17 GMT -6
Chuck, for us its a question of who your primary ballcarrier is. We run the flex T (or diamond T) because our primary ball carrier is our FB our HBs are both blocking backs. By making him FB and putting him directly behind our QB he can run either way easily.
The Bone teams we face use it as a power set, they don't run option, but they do want to get the ball to their halfbacks and want to run blast or double lead. Each halfback can only run that play one direction. They've got more than one running back so that's better for them.
I don't think you can say one formation is better than the other. It depends on your personnel and what you want to do with them.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2006 9:07:37 GMT -6
Where do the halfbacks align in the Dead-T set? How deep ans wide?
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Post by CoachAc on Mar 3, 2006 10:49:14 GMT -6
I think they genrealy consensus should be that you can run virtually all the same plays from each set some slightly easier form one formation to the next but still possible. As stated perssonel is a big consideration in running any offense but both can be taught by a knowledgeable coach. So just pick which formation you like and compile your playbook.
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