nannother
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Post by nannother on Mar 3, 2006 12:27:31 GMT -6
Here are a few questions that I've always wanted to ask other coaches and thanks to this site I can. The first is in the form of a poll.
1) How do you teach your DE to play the option? I think both ways are effective, I just wanted to know which was more popular.
2) If six inch splits (or closer) neutralize most blitzes, why don't all teams use them? If I were running a spread offense I would want maximum protection using the minimum number of blockers. So, why is it mainly used in wing formations? I guess that's a two part question.
3) What is the best way for your DL to play the trap (both play and backside)?
4) Theoretically every offensive play is designed to score and every defense play is designed to stop every offensive play. If both theories worked perfectly, who would win. Remember if it's neutral the defense wins. Just thought I'd throw this one in.
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Post by cqmiller on Mar 3, 2006 12:37:42 GMT -6
1) Kill the QB. 90% of people who run option have their BEST player at QB
2) If you have tight splits in pass protection, then the outside rush will KILL you. Most wing formations pull 2 or more lineman each play, so they need to be able to downblock easily. Can't do this with big splits.
3) If the DT isn't blocked, he must SQUEEZE HARD and WRONGARM the trapper. The LB behind the trap must read the down block coming, and attack high side. If the DT squeezes the play, and the LB comes high-side, then there is no way the LB will get blocked, and he meets the ballcarrier at the line.
4) Odds of all 22 people doing the correct thing on the same play is 0. If there was only 9 wrong ways for each person to do it, and only 1 right way:
(1/10)^(10) = 1/10000000000 = 0 (1 in 10 billion)
But on that 1 time in 10 billion, I will give the benefit to the Defense, since they are usually Bigger, Faster, Stronger, and because of the Neutral thing.
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Post by brophy on Mar 3, 2006 12:42:38 GMT -6
Slow day, so I'll give my opinion, which that and $50 will get you a half eaten bologna sandwich. 1) How do you teach your DE to play the option? I think both ways are effective, I just wanted to know which was more popular. We have DEs attack QBs. We're a 40 team, so we don't really need that guy to be a contain element, plus - he's playing DE for a reason...we DON'T want him to think...we want to force the decision on the QB...not our defense. 2) If six inch splits (or closer) neutralize most blitzes, why don't all teams use them? If I were running a spread offense I would want maximum protection using the minimum number of blockers. So, why is it mainly used in wing formations? I guess that's a two part question. the more compact your splits, the more compact the unabaited path to the QB. Adding an extra foot to those six inches spreads the edge speed rush out an extra 2 - 3 feet tripling the distance between him and the gun QB 3) What is the best way for your DL to play the trap (both play and backside)? Our 3 tech is the guy commonly getting trapped - we game plan against heavy trapping teams to have him look to spill / wrong arm the trapper once the DT comes "free" (no one blocks him) and great a log jam in the back field. 4) Theoretically every offensive play is designed to score and every defense play is designed to stop every offensive play. If both theories worked perfectly, who would win. Remember if it's neutral the defense wins. Just thought I'd throw this one in. No play can stop everything. Every offense / defense has flaws. Even in a theoretical concept where matchups are even on the chalkboard, the game....the bottom line is about EXECUTION.....getting your players to execute perfectly is what coaching is all about....it's not enough to have a 12 guage to protect against intruders....it's having the skill to fire the weapon when needed. |
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Post by coachveer on Mar 3, 2006 14:07:12 GMT -6
1. Slow play the option and run like heck to the pitch.
2. Hard to have a give key with a 6 inch split.
3. Cut someone....anyone in half.
4. I heard one coach give this answer when asked why he runs the option. "The defense can do everything right and still be one player short."
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Post by coachd5085 on Mar 3, 2006 16:05:56 GMT -6
1. I feel this question has some scenarios that must be attached. If you are playing a team that is going to run the triple 30+ snaps a game against you, then I don't believe in giving them the same look each time. I would vary the option responsibilities. If you are talking about a team that gives me 10-12 snaps of option, I would want the QB attacked from outside in as fast as humanly possible. Remember, you are talking about an entire offense based on the decisions of a kid who probably had a wet dream the night before, has acne cream in his locker, and changes razors once a year. I am a firm beliver that teams and players respond adversly to pressure.
2. I think everyone pretty much covered this one. 6 inch splits cut off inside pressure, but also shorten the corner on outside pressure.
3. I am a spiller.
4. In the nirvana you have described, I believe some loophole would exist such that both offense and defens would win, and thus a rift in the space time continum would result in a paradox that would rip the universe apart.
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Post by fbairattack on Mar 3, 2006 20:39:15 GMT -6
i agree with cq and others...make the QB want to go home at half time...and not get out of bed for a week...make them run something else or run the option with SOMEONE else
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Post by cc on Mar 3, 2006 22:49:11 GMT -6
Agreed with QB beaters. If you give us free run at your qb we will go after him. Pretty soon he becomes transparent and will pitch and duck quickly. Then we let our force and pursuit clean up the pitch back. Hahah...of course it works just like that everytime  |
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Post by coachmacplains on Mar 4, 2006 17:06:10 GMT -6
Basically #2 has been answered pretty well; wider splits spread DLs out. In option game you give time to read and establish better blocking angles. And, as has been said, harder to come off the edge to QB; not only further total distance, but also more variability in taking proper path to get to him. Depending on your athletes, I've always felt you take as much as you can get on splits.
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Post by coachpeterson on Mar 7, 2006 16:15:30 GMT -6
For option, I think it depends on the talent of the team. If they have stud HBs with speed, I'd say slow playing. If they have a stud QB with so-so HBs, make the QB pitch the ball. Ideally, I think a mix of both is good, it makes things harder for the offense when they're not getting the same look every play.
As for whether offense or defense would win, I don't think the theory really works. Part of the offensive theory is that everyone will get their blocks. Part of the defensive theory is that the defenders will get off of blocks. Both can't happen at the same time.
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