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Post by wildcat on Mar 20, 2007 20:16:39 GMT -6
OK fellas...here's my situation.
Applied for the head coaching job at my school (very small rural co-op program). Didn't get it. Guy they hired was on staff last year as well. After talking to him, I don't think I have much of a future here. Can stay on as an assistant, but in a severly reduced role from last year (I called the varsity offense last year and all he offered me was varsity OL coach). So, it looks like I am done here. That's OK...no harm, no foul. With that being said, I want out of my current teaching job.
I went on an interview last week for a teaching job. Went pretty well. Thing is, no football jobs are available and it would be close to a $9000/yr paycut. The principal told me that a decision would be made by the end of the week, so, if I got the job, I assume I would know by sometime next week.
I have an interview next week at another school in the conference. This would be a teaching and coaching gig. Head coach is a quality guy who would be an outstanding mentor. Good kids, good coaches, good facilities, program with a lot of tradition...lots of upsides there. Interview for that gig is not until Wednesday and it would probably be a few weeks or so until a decision is made.
My question is this...I really can't afford a $9,000/yr. paycut but I want out of my current school in the worst way. The job I really want is for the interview I have scheduled next week. If the first school I interviewed at (the one without the coaching gig) offers me the job, how can I tell them that I have another interview scheduled for next week without offending them? Is there any good way to do that?
I would hate to turn down an offer at the first school only to interview next week and not get offered the job at the school I really want to work at.
I also have a third opportunity to stay in my job as a teacher at my present school but be the varsity OL coach at a big local school. Head coach is a bit of a legend, excellent staff, pretty good facilities, and great athletes.
Any thoughts?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2007 21:11:35 GMT -6
If it was me, coach, I would not accept the job that would be a pay cut and not coaching. Obviously, I put teaching responsibilities first, but at the same time, I could not teach without coaching as well. The two are hand in hand for me. I couldn't do one without the other. There are worse things than being a varsity offensive line coach, so I would stay put for now and hope things go well with the second interview you have scheduled.
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Mar 20, 2007 21:21:52 GMT -6
I wouldn't take the 1st job- 9 G's is a big cut.
Keep your current teaching job and hopefully you get the job you want. If not, you've got options with the other school. That 3rd job might not be a bad gig...
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Post by wildcat on Mar 20, 2007 21:22:39 GMT -6
Glenn -
Thanks...that is kind of the direction that I am leaning towards. I think, however it shakes out, that I am going to land on my feet. I just don't see any way possible that I am going to be coaching for my current team next season.
I have been on staffs in the past where there was 1 or 2 guys who were just pains in the neck, resentful, bad attitudes, etc, etc. I am disappointed about the way the head coach hiring process went down and I just don't think I will be able to work with the new guy. So, I don't want the othet coaches and the kids to suffer because of me.
So, I think what I am going to do is either accept the job I am interviewing for next week if it gets offered to me OR stay at my current school and take the varsity OL position at the big high school.
Thanks! I appreciate it.
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Post by wildcat on Mar 20, 2007 21:26:31 GMT -6
I wouldn't take the 1st job- 9 G's is a big cut. Keep your current teaching job and hopefully you get the job you want. If not, you've got options with the other school. That 3rd job might not be a bad gig... mike - The third job would be awesome...the head coach is a legend...guy has been coaching high school football longer than I have been alive (32 years). I would learn more about coaching football from this guy in 1 season of working with him than I have in 6 seasons at my current school. The thing is, the head coach at the school I am interviewing at next week is a heck of a good coach, too. He's another guy who would be just a tremendous mentor for a relatively young guy. I think that I am going to interview for the job next week and hope for the best and if it doesn't work out, I will take the position at the big school. Thanks!
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Post by saintrad on Mar 20, 2007 22:55:21 GMT -6
Glenn - Thanks...that is kind of the direction that I am leaning towards. I think, however it shakes out, that I am going to land on my feet. I just don't see any way possible that I am going to be coaching for my current team next season. I have been on staffs in the past where there was 1 or 2 guys who were just pains in the neck, resentful, bad attitudes, etc, etc. I am disappointed about the way the head coach hiring process went down and I just don't think I will be able to work with the new guy. So, I don't want the othet coaches and the kids to suffer because of me. So, I think what I am going to do is either accept the job I am interviewing for next week if it gets offered to me OR stay at my current school and take the varsity OL position at the big high school. Thanks! I appreciate it. Wildcat- I dont envy your position but one question that does come to mind is what are you in it for? you or the kids? this isnt with malice but with a hope to clarify the direction you said you are seeking. If you are looking to leave and gain experience then jump on option 2 or 3. Working with an outstanding mentor is always worth it. If you are there for the kids and the team what does a title mean then? we as coaches always talk team, but inst being on the staff and creating continuity just as important regardless of the titles involved? having read a lot of your posts over the last year or so has taugh me a lot by the knowledge you have so kindly shared. Dont the kids you have been grooming also benefit from that knowledge too? In the end the choice is really yours to make. Work with an outstanding mentor or mentoring outstanding players (of character) is a win-win situation.
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Post by coachjoe3 on Mar 21, 2007 0:37:19 GMT -6
If it was me, coach, I would not accept the job that would be a pay cut and not coaching. Obviously, I put teaching responsibilities first, but at the same time, I could not teach without coaching as well. The two are hand in hand for me. I couldn't do one without the other. There are worse things than being a varsity offensive line coach, so I would stay put for now and hope things go well with the second interview you have scheduled. I think that's great advice. I'd lean more toward the OL coach option. I don't think I could coach at another HS while seeing the guys I would've been coaching all day during school. I'd just feel like I left them behind . . . but that's me. I get sentimental . . . You will coach with guys that you don't always agree with or even like, and maybe that guy is "sitting in your chair." But that could happen in any profession. Any way you and the new HC can work together would be great for the players in the long run. And your role may not always be so reduced . . . But don't take the paycut and no coaching option. That just sounds miserable . . . Just my opinion, hope it helped. Let us know what happens, wildcat
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Post by wildcat on Mar 21, 2007 8:33:52 GMT -6
Wildcat- I dont envy your position but one question that does come to mind is what are you in it for? you or the kids? this isnt with malice but with a hope to clarify the direction you said you are seeking. If you are looking to leave and gain experience then jump on option 2 or 3. Working with an outstanding mentor is always worth it. If you are there for the kids and the team what does a title mean then? we as coaches always talk team, but inst being on the staff and creating continuity just as important regardless of the titles involved? having read a lot of your posts over the last year or so has taugh me a lot by the knowledge you have so kindly shared. Dont the kids you have been grooming also benefit from that knowledge too? In the end the choice is really yours to make. Work with an outstanding mentor or mentoring outstanding players (of character) is a win-win situation. saintrad - Great points... Here's what it comes down to...I have to be careful here because I don't want to appear that I am making excuses. We had three guys interview for the head coaching position. Two of us (myself and another coach from my building) have a combined 20 years experience coaching high school football. I called the varsity offense last year and was a fairly successful F-S coach for several years before that. The other guy has even been a head varsity coach in the past (and was pretty successful). Now, the guy who got the job? He has never coached high school football before (he was a part-time volunteer last year). Guy has been coaching 7th and 8th graders the last 5 years or so. After our first set of interviews, my principal informed me that the three of us were "too close" and that a second set of interviews was going to be conducted. Well, the second set of interviews was never conducted and the farmer was named the head coach. So, what it comes down to is I believe that the selection of this guy was political. He is from the other town in our co-op and got the gig mainly as a concession to the other school. And, like I said...I'm really OK with that...I'm not going to complain and file a grievance or anything like that...that's the way the world works sometimes. With that being said, it has been my experience that once the administration knows that they can bend you over and you will take it, they will continue to do it to you. I got punked by these guys once...not going to let it happen to me again. Also, the new guy has made it pretty clear to me that he doesn't believe I have a lot of value. He has a buddy of his (fellow junior tackle coach) who he wants to bring on board and I am holding that spot. Lastly, we were told in the first interview that the head coach will evaluate each assistant after the season and that evaluation will be used to determine whether or not we will be retained for the next year. Knowing that this guy doesn't like me and doesn't want me around, I sure don't want to leave my coaching future in his hands. I have no question that this guy would throw me under the bus in a heartbeat if we had a bad season and he needed someone to blame. Also, we have some other serious issues in our district like people getting RIF'ed and consolidation is probably on the horizon. So, if I don't get out now, I might be out of a teaching job as well as a coaching job in a few years. Sorry this was so long...
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Post by wildcat on Mar 21, 2007 8:37:38 GMT -6
I'd lean more toward the OL coach option. I don't think I could coach at another HS while seeing the guys I would've been coaching all day during school. I'd just feel like I left them behind . . . but that's me. I get sentimental . . . You will coach with guys that you don't always agree with or even like, and maybe that guy is "sitting in your chair." But that could happen in any profession. Any way you and the new HC can work together would be great for the players in the long run. And your role may not always be so reduced . . . But don't take the paycut and no coaching option. That just sounds miserable . . . Just my opinion, hope it helped. Let us know what happens, wildcat coachjoe - Good stuff...I appreciate the feeback. It will be tough to leave...I am really close to next year's senior class. Heck, we had almost all of them in the weightroom at 7AM today busting their butts and having fun....it would be a tough group of kids to leave behind. But again...I think I need to think about what is best for myself and my family. These kids will play football next year and have good coaches. Me, on the other hand, I might be on the outside looking in unless I make a move.
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Post by coachjoe3 on Mar 21, 2007 13:41:17 GMT -6
I hear ya wildcat, and in reading your reply #7 I can see now what you in . . .
Good luck to you and your family and let us know how things turn out.
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Post by saintrad on Mar 21, 2007 22:59:24 GMT -6
anytime wildcat
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Post by 3rdandlong on May 7, 2007 13:54:23 GMT -6
Wildcat, hope the job situation is going well. I know I'm a little late with this, but I have a mentor who gave me some really good insight. We all get attatched to the kids and to certain people after being at one place for a while. This happens to coaches more often than regular teachers. But my mentor who has been a very successful teacher and coach told me not to ever use the "I can't leave because the kids need me" reason. Sure those kids may need you, but there are a whole bunch of other kids somewhere else that need you too, so go where you feel is best for you. Just my honest opinion.
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Post by coachcalande on May 7, 2007 17:35:58 GMT -6
Coach, while your ego is bruised from being passed over for the other guy and your role reduced...you are still coaching the greatest game in the world and you have a job. You are NOT in any kind of "desperate" situation...taking a 9G pay cut and giving up football just to get away would be a mistake.
To me, staying put and hoping that the other interview goes well is your best option. Best of luck in your decision.
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