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Post by dacoachmo on Mar 5, 2007 13:00:15 GMT -6
I have been using the two point stance for the past four years.
I think it is good for the big guys and doesn't tip off the play...
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Post by coachjd on Mar 5, 2007 13:07:16 GMT -6
we use both 2pt and 3pt.
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Post by epcoach99 on Mar 5, 2007 14:16:31 GMT -6
We have always used 3 point stances, but I'm trying to convince the HC to let me change to a 2 point. I have heard some great arguments in favor of the 2 point lately and am convinced if taught properly it is just as effective as 3 point with some added benifits.
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Post by ajreaper on Mar 5, 2007 14:37:34 GMT -6
The 2 point stance certainly has merit when pass blocking but you simply cannot get the same power angles out of it that you can in a 3 point and you need those to physically drive people off the ball- particularly if you are giving up some size/weight.
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Post by coachjoe3 on Mar 5, 2007 14:45:50 GMT -6
I use the 3 pt too. To me, it just seems like a blocker gets better leverage coming from the 3pt, particularly when teams get a little tired and a 2pt could become a little sloppy w/out the kid realizing it . . .
plus it's what I'm most experienced in teaching.
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Post by tog on Mar 5, 2007 14:55:13 GMT -6
we use all three
center has hand off hand down
guards are 3 point
tackles are 2 point
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Post by jackedup on Mar 5, 2007 17:10:44 GMT -6
I really like Tog's method. I've coached teams with 3 pts and teams with 2 pt. The 2pt never seemed to be great run blockers... not to say we didn't run the ball well. But when you pass to much and run only traps and counters out of 4 wide, you don't necessarily need a great power angle.
Still I'd have to go with 3 pt for the OG and 2 pt for the OT.
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Post by pegleg on Mar 5, 2007 18:02:50 GMT -6
 here is how we do it. |
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Post by coache67 on Mar 5, 2007 18:28:39 GMT -6
We are like the picture above - traditional run block types at Guard and Center - Pass pro guys on the edge. You can afford to block a little higher on the edge as long as you stay physical - sloppy stances are something you have to coach. We went to this for 06 and we were happy with it. We rushed for more yards than we did the previous two without the "stud" back we had for 04 and 05. I have heard some great arguments in favor of the 2 point lately and am convinced if taught properly it is just as effective as 3 point with some added benifits. I would be interested in hearing some of what you have heard on this topic. |
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Post by epcoach99 on Mar 8, 2007 9:40:29 GMT -6
The OC @ School Of Mines in Colorado was in favor of the 2 point even though they are usually over matched physically. He said if you teach the OL to have a balanced stance in a 3 point (hand placement balanced so you can lift it off ground and not fall over) there was not much of a difference with the same stance but with your hand off the ground. Plus it gives you a greater field of vision. I can see this because I am always having guys tell me they can't lift their head to see in the 3 point.
He dose go on to say that in short yardage and goal line the do get in a 3 point stance when they have to dig-in.
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Post by CVBears on Mar 8, 2007 11:34:04 GMT -6
What are the steps/techniques involved when run blocking from a 2pt stance? I'm just thinking there needs to be an extra coaching point to lower the pad level in a 2pt stance that would be eliminated in a 3pt.
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Post by senatorblutarsky on Mar 8, 2007 14:45:36 GMT -6
We are in 3 pt. at all times except for our 2 min. O, which consists of a handful of plays (1 run).
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Post by epcoach99 on Mar 9, 2007 9:06:14 GMT -6
I have not had the chance to work this on the field. I've only messed around with it personally. So the final judgment will have to wait until fall when I can get some kids in full pads. I have been able to take all my steps and angles from a 2pt just like I would from a 3pt. I have also found that I can employ the use of my hands much faster. Since I teach the kids to use their hands when blocking this is a great benefit. It also seems my first step is quicker, whether I am attacking, pulling, pass pro or taking a bucket step.
I am worried about pad level, but that is always a concern with most of the guys I get anyway. So like I said I won't be able to pass final judgment until 2 a days.
I hope this helps and any feedback, like always, is greatly appreciated.
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Post by lionhart on Mar 9, 2007 16:49:48 GMT -6
i think its like anything else... if you teach it right, it'll work for you. if a team is running zone schemes, you dont have to drive people off the ball. if i were running a power I, i think i'd like my linemen to get into as 3-pt, and get a good forward lean going.... this would help them to initiate contact and "get downhill' quicker. in our spread scheme, i like them all in a 2-pt. they can pass or run block justa s easily as a 3-pt, and i tend to think it helps then see any blitzes or last minute stemming of the defensive front.
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Post by cqmiller on Mar 12, 2007 11:47:27 GMT -6
I prefer to be in 3 point under center & 2 point in the gun...however we run into some decent DE's, and will be forced to go 2 point on pass plays even under center...to counter the obvious tendency this creates we allow 2 point on all passes, screens, & draws from under center, and do 3 point on all Play Action Passes from under center.
Keeps most defenses honest.
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Post by davecisar on Mar 16, 2007 8:06:36 GMT -6
Tyrone Willingham showed us all at the Nike COY clinic in DC a few weeks ago to make sure our kids flexed their knees in slightly. Coach Willingham ( great speaker) told us most of the kids he gets in nowdays false step on about every play.
If the stance includes a coaching point to flex the knees in slightly it is extremely difficult to false step.
He had us all stand and flex the knees slightly inward, yep about impossible for whatever reason to false step like our linemen like to do on down blocks.
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Post by CVBears on Mar 16, 2007 14:32:22 GMT -6
Tyrone Willingham showed us all at the Nike COY clinic in DC a few weeks ago to make sure our kids flexed their knees in slightly. Coach Willingham ( great speaker) told us most of the kids he gets in nowdays false step on about every play. If the stance includes a coaching point to flex the knees in slightly it is extremely difficult to false step. He had us all stand and flex the knees slightly inward, yep about impossible for whatever reason to false step like our linemen like to do on down blocks. I tried that, works great. thanks for the tip, coach |
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Post by davecisar on Mar 16, 2007 16:20:00 GMT -6
You must be one of the few LOL/ Coach Willingham said 90+ % of the kids he gets false step.
I doubt any of my kids will get the chance to play for him but if they do , they wont be false steppers.
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Post by fbdoc on Mar 16, 2007 22:18:33 GMT -6
We've experimented with them all but this Spring we are going to go with OG in 3pt and OT in a 2pt to see if that is the best scheme for our kids.
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Post by midlineqb on Mar 16, 2007 23:01:04 GMT -6
I prefer the 3-point stance, as I feel we get off the ball better. When I was a Wishbone coach we loved the 4-point stance, but with the spread offenses of today I feel the 3-point is better. If we were going to pass a tremendous amount of the time I would be more compelled to use the 2-point stance. In the late 70's we played a team that did everything from the 2-point stance, they won a couple of state championships using this method. I've also seen some teams that put their tackles in 2=point stances and their guards in 3-point stances.
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Post by champyun on Mar 16, 2007 23:10:21 GMT -6
I've always preferred the 3-pt., but tog, do you feel for what you do offensively, the OT's are better "reachers" (zoning) in your offense from a 2-pt. (i.e., the Pop)?
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Post by coache67 on Mar 17, 2007 9:14:51 GMT -6
Whoa, 4 point stance! I thought was for GL/SY only and I was a wishbone OL in HS!
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Post by phantom on Mar 17, 2007 16:32:02 GMT -6
We used a 4-point for a while when we ran the bone.
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