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Post by jhanawa on May 17, 2006 8:51:23 GMT -6
thats a good point tog, ORGANIZATION, everything needs to fit together and not have any calls or rules that conflict or don't make perfect sense. Thinking through the book over and over again before it is presented to the team is important, worse thing is to teach something and then have to go back and correct a mistake.
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Post by swarm2ball on May 17, 2006 9:04:51 GMT -6
I have run into similar problems: typing up many plays versus AS MANY formations, fronts, ect., as I can to get the complete picture. Like Tog, I could not explain the number of times I have found "issues" with various plays versus various formations and fronts. I guess I am more of a visual learner.
However, I am trying something for my defensive playbook. Instead of typing up each possible front-coverage-blitz combo versus as many formations as possible, I am going to type up all of my defenses and then make up transparency copies of ALL the main offensive formations. I then can lay the transparency on top of the print out and draw what ever I want on the transparency.
I am not a big believer in handing out playbooks. Weekly tip sheets are just fine. But the playbook is more for myself and the assistant coaches. This could really cut down on the amount of pages a playbook can be.
This thought has just been established since reading this post and any assistance to make this idea more efficient would be appreciated. Thanks fellas
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Post by tog on May 17, 2006 9:07:08 GMT -6
swarm to ball
on a side topic here, who is that that picard is killing there in your avatar?
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Post by swarm2ball on May 17, 2006 9:27:12 GMT -6
I found it on a NFL message board- I thought it was hilarious
Now, the fat kid is the Goonies character, doing the truffle shuffle (i think that is what they called it)
The bald deaded dude, I do not know where that clip was taken from. I am still trying to think of it........
but someone had a lot of time on their hands and put them together somehow
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Post by tog on May 17, 2006 9:28:28 GMT -6
ok then
that is picard from star trek shooting something else
and someone spliced that kid in there
kinda confused this star trek geek
ok, back to football
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Post by tye2021 on May 18, 2006 12:57:17 GMT -6
I haven't finished my playbook yet, but I estimate that it will be well over 150 pages. This will include my philosophy for passing game and running game, blocking schemes vs various fronts, pass pro vs various fronts, Routes for WRs and Backs (not a route tree just detail on how to run each route including adjustments), terminology, formations, shifts and motions, cadence, and audibles. I have a lot of pass plays as well as run plays from the various formations in the playbook.
Not all plays will be ran or implemented. The type of talent we will have or won't have will determine the plays we will be running. The base plays will remain the same year to year but I want to be able to adjust to the talent we will have. I also like the idea of having plays that I could change out year to year for surprises. Again the base plays will remain the same. Alot of the other information like the blocking and protection vs various fronts will be used as a reference point. I'll already have the blocking and protection worked out or have something similar to a front we will face, so I wouldn't have to spend long hours trying to figure out how to make something work. I will also be able to run a special play specific for that team to take advantage of a potential weakness in the defense.
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Post by Coach Huey on May 18, 2006 13:19:48 GMT -6
think of football as a language....
a dictionary has EVERY word in it... but that is such overkill as we will not use 2/3's of those words in our daily lives, right? also, the words are not necessarily in context and it has no "flow" to it about how to use the language. so, don't make your playbook like a dictionary.... putting EVERYTHING in there is often overkill, and all you need to do is present the context of how you will use certain terms, blocks, plays, etc.
also, if the playbook has it all in there, then why you need me as a teacher,right? the playbook is merely a base visual thing to help you understand where we will start. the rest of the puzzle pieces are put together in a teaching progression over time through practice & repitition. some things we remember from what we read (basic info) other things we remember from doing (minute details)... put the basic in the playbook, teach the minute details.
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Post by cqmiller on May 18, 2006 13:25:54 GMT -6
I found it on a NFL message board- I thought it was hilarious Now, the fat kid is the Goonies character, doing the truffle shuffle (i think that is what they called it) The bald deaded dude, I do not know where that clip was taken from. I am still trying to think of it........ but someone had a lot of time on their hands and put them together somehow It's TONY MONTANA from SCARFACE.....With PICARD's (from STAR TREK) head morphed on him.....shooting CHUNK from GOONIES doing the TRUFFLE SHUFFLE. That's pretty funny!
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Post by tog on May 18, 2006 14:15:56 GMT -6
no it's not cq- there is a star trek episode where picard shoots a thompson like that wearing a tux
scarface was shooting a HK i think, background was different
now the goonies kid, i will take your word on it
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Post by bigdaddyd on May 18, 2006 14:40:29 GMT -6
My previous playbook had 80 pages, The first couple of pages consisted of my expectations, programs' visions, a dictionary on terms, blocking rules etc... The rest of it had plays drawn up, and assignments below it.
I had originally planned to issue one to each player, but the cost of making 40 copies of 80 pages was just to much $. So that idea went out the window.
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Post by gmccown on May 21, 2006 8:20:10 GMT -6
the one I give my staff is currently around 70 pgs. All but 20 is explination of the sytstme, motions, teminology, formations with pictures, etc. I only include the 10-15 plays we will run the most, drawn to the right agianst the defense we see the most.
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Post by coachcalande on May 21, 2006 8:41:08 GMT -6
Our playbook is about 20 pages really. Its also got player and parent handbook info and all of 25 plays. we try to keep our blocking schemes down to about 10. whats important isnt the amount of plays, so much as the amount of schemes to teach the oline...at least thats my best guess.
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Post by lochness on May 21, 2006 8:46:32 GMT -6
Ultimate Star Trek Geek checking in:
It's actually Picard from "Star Trek: First Contact" (direct from the movie, no morphing or cut-and-paste stuff) shooting the kid from the goonies. Funny stuff.
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Post by coachj on May 21, 2006 9:51:38 GMT -6
6-runs 5-pap 4-screens 9-route combo 4-specials all equals no hardcopy playbook!
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Post by runtheball86 on May 29, 2006 7:05:07 GMT -6
We include our language, ALL of our formations, motion/shifting/audible information, pass tree, basic pasing game and thats about it
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Post by stackattack on May 29, 2006 11:36:51 GMT -6
I just finished my defensive playbook, it runs around 35 pages. It is only that large b/c I wanted to put every combination of stunt imaginable and every formation adjustment against each of our coverages so that I don't asked a million times all the "what if's".
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