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Co-ops
Jan 28, 2006 18:40:41 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2006 18:40:41 GMT -6
I've seen a few that have worked and many that haven't from my experience in Illinois. I know nothing about school finances, but make it appear as equal as possible--unite homecoming, share fields (both for practices and games if possible), try to equate coaching staffs as best as possible. I greatly appreciate my high school joining a co-op becuase without it, I never would have played high school football and it literally shaped my life. However, my high school joined the co-op mostly as a favor so the other school could keep a program and you could tell that by the way it was ran--my school contributed very little money and very little manpower. Of course, my school never had football before that, so that may have been why!
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Jan 28, 2006 19:13:45 GMT -6
Post by coachjd on Jan 28, 2006 19:13:45 GMT -6
they have been going on all over the midwest for years (Minnesota, North and South Dakota) as well. I have seen them work very well were the coaches did an outstanding job of merging the 2 or more communities and convinced the kids to play as a team.
I have also seen the 2 towns have 2 different opinions on the team name, school name, who should be coaching, how many kids from each town should be starting, etc...... I can think of a school that merged 3 districts and built a brand new school 15 years ago and they still don't get along!!! Mostly due to the communities not the kids.
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Co-ops
Jan 29, 2006 7:40:47 GMT -6
Post by coachjd on Jan 29, 2006 7:40:47 GMT -6
IMO you need to communicate to all the parents, players etc... your primary goal is to win and develop a winning program. Somethings you may want to think about are; having your top assisant(s) teach at the other school. Try to hold off-season workouts at both communities and invite the parents and community members to come out and watch. (7 on 7, weights, fund raisers, speed workouts, etc...) Maybe play some of your home games in each community and have tailgating for the parents so they have an opportunity to spend time together. booster clubs, moms group, dads group at a local establishment, cafe, schools each week for coffee, cookies and video of last weeks game and watch some of the up coming opponents film.
Sorry for the ramble, I think the bottom line is get everyone involved in the program. Once each community feels that they have ownership in your program they will be more focused on the team rather than which community they live in.
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Jan 29, 2006 8:28:29 GMT -6
Post by wildcat on Jan 29, 2006 8:28:29 GMT -6
The program I coach for has been co-oping since 1995. We have been moderately successful (made the playoffs 7 of those years). It took a LONG time for the two communities to really put aside their differences and embrace the idea of the co-op. When I first started coaching here in 2001, there were still LOTS of people who claimed that the head coach favored one school's kids over the other school's kids. Parents complained about where practices were, complained if the uniforms had too much of one school's colors and not enough of the other schools colors - chickensh*t stuff like that. We finally have got to the point where people are seeing the football team as a separate entity from the two schools - which is what the goal of a successful co-op should be. Here's some things to consider to get the co-op off on the right foot: - team colors - avoid using one of the school's colors or a mix of one color from each school. Pick a color scheme that is completely different from the two schools. This will help to foster the idea that the football team is a separate program and not simply an extension of the two schools.
- mascot - choose a mascot that is different from the mascots of the two schools. Fpr example, the two schools in our co-op are the "Cougars" and the "Wolves". The football team is the "Wildcats". You do this for pretty much the same reason as selecting a separate color scheme for the team.
- practices - it's a pain in the ass, but practice time HAS to be shared equally. Practice for the first half of the season at one school and then practice for the second half of the season at the other school
- games - if you have 4 home games, play two at each school. If you have five, play three at one school but remember the next time you have 5 home games to play three at the other school. Alternate playoff games.
- homecoming - just do one. Homecoming is a big enough pain in the butt without having to do it twice. We finally started doing that 2 years ago, but it was REALLY tough to convince parents and kids that 1 homecoming game was for the best.
- coaches - try to spread the coaches out. Don't have all of the coaches from 1 school be on the varsity staff and all of the coaches from the other school on the frosh-soph staff.
Also understand that the biggest problems for co-ops often come from parents, administrators, and school board members who think that, somehow, "their" kids are gettiung screwed. The kids themselves are almost NEVER a problem. They will, for the most part, be excited about it because the co-op will give them an opportunity to have success. For example, before we co-oped, the two schools had combined for a whopping 3 playoff appearances in 20 years. Now, we have made the playoffs 7 of the last 11. Co-ops can be a great experience IF you can nurse it through those first few crucial years.
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Co-ops
Jan 29, 2006 9:54:26 GMT -6
Post by wildcat on Jan 29, 2006 9:54:26 GMT -6
interesting ideas --- I am currently involved with a school that hasn't had football going with A school that has - would you still change the team's colors and nicknames? I can see practicing at both schools but of course the new one doesn't have a football field. Some problems i see is that the majority of the team will be from the old school - don't know how that school would deal with name change, color change, mascot change.(all pretty insignificant things but probably would get a lot of heat) Coach - That's definately a tough spot...the two schools in our co-op had football before the co-op was established in 1995. The thing you might want to consider is that it is going to be REALLY tough to get kids from your school to buy in if they have to wear the other school's colors, use their mascot, play at their field, etc, etc. We co-op track with another school and that's basically the way we run it...We don't have practice at our school, we wear the other team's unis, we use their mascot, and we don't provide any coaches. The result is that not many kids from our school are interested in going out for track. The flipside, as wolverine stated earlier, is that at least you have football. That may make all of those other things moot. Good luck and keep us posted.
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Jan 29, 2006 16:49:01 GMT -6
Post by sls on Jan 29, 2006 16:49:01 GMT -6
PA has co-ops played in one. They kind of share sports play football at one school with that schools logos and colors and play soccer at the other school with that schools colors and logos. You could also playh each other in other sports. I liked and wished all states did it to give chances for kids to play.
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Co-ops
Jan 29, 2006 21:22:44 GMT -6
Post by coachmacplains on Jan 29, 2006 21:22:44 GMT -6
South Dakota has had them for years; our team plays them all the time (though I don't coach in one). The main observation I come away with is this: If the coaches from each community can agre to their roles, it can really work. One of the most successful 9 man programs in the state had one coach take the offense, the other defense, but were considered co-HCs. They had both been head coach in their respective schools before the coop. When they won a championship in the 90s they were given co-coach of the year. The "offensive" coach was quoted as saying about the other to the effect that he never questioned what his colleague was doing with the defense. If egos can be put aside, it can go. Conversely, I have seen the other side as well, with a coach from one community criticizing those from the other. Needless to say, that program was not (and is not) successful. People have to deal effectively with people.
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Co-ops
Jan 30, 2006 14:40:29 GMT -6
Post by coachpeterson on Jan 30, 2006 14:40:29 GMT -6
There are co-ops here in Wisconsin. Don't coach at one and haven't coached against one, but I did read a book titled First And Long about 2 schools from the Milwaukee area that formed a co-op. One was public, one private, one primarily white, the other primarily black. Interesting situation, and a very good book. I highly recommend it if you like books about high school football.
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Jan 31, 2006 20:33:40 GMT -6
Post by olinecoach61 on Jan 31, 2006 20:33:40 GMT -6
Connecticut also has some co - ops, I just finished my first season at one after 7 in a regular program. Its a totally different world. It's tough to stay in touch with kids you don't see in your building. The kids I have are in the weight room 4 days a week, the kids from the other school are on their own do to budget / transportation issues. I'm still working on it...
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Feb 1, 2006 23:19:18 GMT -6
Post by Coach Shane on Feb 1, 2006 23:19:18 GMT -6
Here is a diffrent twist. Localy an all boys school Harvard and an girls school Westlake Academy merged the two schools as Harvard - Westlake. They had the student body nominate some new mascot names and then let them choose. Luckily school colors where the same. Harvards campus became the High school and Westlakes became the Midle school
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