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Post by texas21 on Jan 6, 2006 9:34:36 GMT -6
Hey,
I have been lurking on this board for a while, and decided to sign up. I'm about a year and a half from graduation (college) and starting my career.
I didn't play football, instead I have worked to become a student of the game, reading, watching, talking about it as much as I can. I usually tire people out talking about it. Most of the time I just ask questions getting info and learning new wrinkles to put into the system I'm trying to develop. And the few people I have discussed my system with have said its going to be tough to deal with.
Offensive Philosophy They might change my thoughts are not set in stone- but this is just what I think right now. (no particular order)
1. Use motions and shifts to create favorable match ups and confuse the defense.
2. Spread the field- don't bunch your players up. With one back you can have 2 TE's. But with two backs no TE's. Having a player "run off" (or out of position) is just as effective as a great block . Wear defense out by making them defend the entire field.
3. Use option plays- make defense be option sound.
4. The team has 4 running threats. (QB, TB, H, S) - I call "Z" rec. "S" to make motion calls easier for everybody.
5. Learn basic plays and run them out of a lot of formations.
6. Attack the weakness of a defense and neutralize their strong points. Both player weaknesses and team weaknesses.
7. Spread the ball around- don't let a defense beat you because they stopped your play maker.
8. Take what the defense gives you.
The way I run things seem to be different from what I have seen most other coaches think.
So as coaches who have been in the game a while... Any thoughts or comments you feel like posting would be appreciated.
Second thing- with this somewhat unique way of looking at football, would you go to a school that shares the same things I already think to further develop this system. Or would you go to another type of school and learn a different style and learn new ideas to put into my system?
Thanks
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Post by tog on Jan 6, 2006 9:42:30 GMT -6
this is how a ton of people think about football you are on the right track
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Post by brophy on Jan 6, 2006 9:59:58 GMT -6
Second thing- with this somewhat unique way of looking at football, would you go to a school that shares the same things I already think to further develop this system. Or would you go to another type of school and learn a different style and learn new ideas to put into my system? I agree with tog, those are basic offensive tenets for game planning. I would say coach wherever you can coach.All offense share similarities and you can learn from all 'systems'. To be a better coach, it's not the X's & O's (that's the SIMPLE part), it's the ability to communicate your ideas to people without your knowledge. Motioning, multiple formations, options are all great equalizers but if you can't TEACH the concepts to the kids (or get them to understand what they are doing) all the 'genius' in the world is hopeless. A passion for the game is really all you need - sounds like you've got that.
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Post by pegleg on Jan 6, 2006 10:16:04 GMT -6
that is exactly the deal
our offense has become very simple, partly because of philosophy and partly because of the learning curve.
be careful how much you put in and make sure you can make them understand
Holla
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Post by texas21 on Jan 6, 2006 10:25:35 GMT -6
A lot of my stuff might not be that unique Maybe I thought that way because I havn't talked to many coaches that run things the way I would like to.
The coaches I have talked to most were option coaches (something like airforce), zone stretch (QB under center) or guys that were "running coaches" (I formation, two tight ends, running between tackles) and had limited formations. (Maybe 5 formations, little or no shifting/motion) So that might help.
I understand what you guys mean by being able to communicate. (I learned that by working with a small Jr high team- 6 man ball, lots of fun and a great experience)
I think there is a lot of time "coaching" is overlooked for the X's and O's part of the game. It seems to me that lots of people want a quick fix. (what type of offense do you run with xyz kids) Coach the kids to understand what you want them to do in your system- be a coach- not a playcaller.
I understand that things need to be kept simple with shifts and motions. Shifting is basic- but there is a purpose behind it- usualy to show one look the quickly go into another (strong/weak, tight/wide)
I think my motions are also easy. With my motion word first letter is player, vowel= location, last part is L/R.
First letter: T-word= TB H- word= H S- word = S
Second letter: A- Backfield E- End (wing) I- In (slot) O- Out (split)
*check- motion towards location then back to original spot.
Examples
Sale- S receiver motions to Backfield Behind LT Tore- TB motions to Flanker Right Heel- H motions to WB Left. Silt- S motions to Slot Left. Does this seem too complex?
If anybody wants to just kick ideas around Im more than open for it.
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Post by Mav on Jan 6, 2006 10:45:03 GMT -6
This is a pretty good list to start with. Curious to hear what sections you think are different from most coaches -- the spread stuff? If so, I'd suggest you find a school whose coach runs some form of spread. You also may want to reorder the list with -- #5. Learn basic plays and run them out of a lot of formations -- as #1.
I think you may like the book, An Education of a Coach, about Bill Belichick, the Patriot's coach. Coach Belichick and his colleauges, were not necessarily good players, but were extreme students of the games.
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Post by Mav on Jan 6, 2006 12:20:01 GMT -6
I think my motions are also easy. With my motion word first letter is player, vowel= location, last part is L/R. First letter: T-word= TB H- word= H S- word = S Second letter: A- Backfield E- End (wing) I- In (slot) O- Out (split) *check- motion towards location then back to original spot. Examples Sale- S receiver motions to Backfield Behind LT Tore- TB motions to Flanker Right Heel- H motions to WB Left. Silt- S motions to Slot Left. Does this seem too complex? If anybody wants to just kick ideas around Im more than open for it. In my opinion, the simplest motion system I've used/seen is using numbers for the typical alignment landmarks on the field, odd to the left, even to the right. Similar to your concept, except it's a simpler translation. Especially for the QB who has to remember all of the 'words'. Just prefix the number with who you want to motion there. Here are the typical landmarks -- 7/8=widest, 5/6=slot, 5/4=wing, 1/2=diveback, 0=Tail(if I)or FB ..........................OOXOOO.................................. ..7.........5.........3..............4.............6............8... ...........................1......2.................................... ...............................0........................................ So you'd call your formation, then call the motion -- Tore = T8 (not sure how your way tells which side?) Heel = H3 Don't forget you may also want to motion your TE(Y) and Split End(X). Using numbers you wouldn't need to add new words -- just X4, Y1, etc.
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Post by brophy on Jan 6, 2006 12:25:32 GMT -6
this has the sound of another thread about offensive terminolgy......
LOTs of different systems out there and until you get a comfort level with one of them they will all sound like Greek.
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Post by tog on Jan 6, 2006 13:00:51 GMT -6
i think you could learn the game by going to a wing-t or option school but you might not be happy if you already have this much of a philosohpy
learn the game meaning, for being a future head coach and knowing a lot about other offenses than yours so you can defense them
plus, other systems will give you ideas to add things with your concepts
for example, I will never be a wing-t guy. Like brophy said, the terminology is like greek to me. Red/blue, means nothing to me. BUT, I have studied option attacks and especially wing-t attacks to give me ideas for things within the kind of stuff I truly beleive in. Like the jets, it is a wing-t thing. I approach it from a zone/gt spread point of view so the jet stuff we run is based off of that. Jet is such a great idea, that I just "borrowed" it from them.
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Post by saintrad on Jan 6, 2006 17:18:25 GMT -6
my key for you would to finish HS first, then go be the best assistant you can be where ever you can get on. Having knowledge of more schemes ONLY HELPS you. The more knowledge you have the better able you are to develop YOUR oen philosophy.
The key to getting started is be willing to learn from whomever you are coaching for.
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