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Post by bigdaddyd on Nov 27, 2005 15:49:50 GMT -6
Last night I had the opportunity to watch Nevada take on Fresno state. I'm interested in Nevada's Pistol Offense. I was wondering if anyone knows of any books or sites, I could do some research on...
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Post by tog on Nov 27, 2005 15:50:54 GMT -6
didn't see it. Can you describe it some?
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Post by bigdaddyd on Nov 27, 2005 15:56:30 GMT -6
Shotgun formation with TB directly behind the QB (I-back). They used multiple formations.
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Post by tog on Nov 27, 2005 16:00:06 GMT -6
If we didn't run jets out of the gun, we would have the back do that. Makes it truly balanced formation.
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Post by airattack on Nov 27, 2005 18:39:50 GMT -6
Tog,
Why couldn't you run jet with the TB behind the QB? I did watch the Nevada game on TV and the Pistol formation is very interesting. They ran alot of option and Wing-T run plays from what I could see. The QB lines up 3 yards from the Center and the TB lines up at normal depth. It looks very similar to a Single-Wing offense with the QB spinning and faking. I don't see why you could not run jet especially if you already run it from the gun.
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Post by ocinaz on Nov 27, 2005 18:48:45 GMT -6
That's what I was going to ask, I had thought that what Nevada is doing, is indeed very similar to the single wing..
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Post by los on Nov 27, 2005 19:07:47 GMT -6
I saw some of that game as well. QB wasn't quite as deep as the shotgun, with the single back in a 3pt. stance a couple yards directly behind him. Looked like they still ran most of the common one back stuff! The back was a short kid and is kinda hidden back there behind the bigger QB rather than in plain sight when beside him!
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Post by tog on Nov 27, 2005 19:09:21 GMT -6
Well, run the jet the way we do. We try and block everyone instead of let flow and inside run threats hold people
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Post by Coach Huey on Nov 27, 2005 20:54:47 GMT -6
makes their stuff look eerily close to the single wing with the "spinner" series.
pretty interesting stuff. i was impressed.
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Post by saintrad on Nov 27, 2005 22:21:50 GMT -6
catch a replay of it on Fox Sports Net...usually one of the west coast or cali ones will replay it atleast once
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Post by airattack on Nov 27, 2005 23:18:57 GMT -6
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Post by saintrad on Nov 27, 2005 23:24:33 GMT -6
they showd it tonight on ESPNU and being that all Pac10 and WAC teams have ties to FSN you are assured to see it replayed atleast once on FSN
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Post by fort on Nov 28, 2005 1:12:23 GMT -6
I recorded it, but haven't watched over it for the most part. Seems they run mostly normal I stuff (the runs look kind of like the SW spinner).
I remember hearing the commentators say that the purpose of the formation was to allow the RB to get "downhill" quicker. By watching the few plays I have, it definitely seems to work, as the RB gets the ball QUICK and heads straight upfield. As I said, I've not had a chance to really watch any of the game, so I really don't have a big idea of what they run out of it.
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Post by ocinaz on Nov 28, 2005 12:54:52 GMT -6
You might be able to catch a replay on ESPN in the wee hours of the morning sometime during the week. In AZ, I can usually cathc the games they broadcast later in the week around 1 AM. Hope this helps, I know that I will be looking for it.
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Post by utepminerfan on Nov 28, 2005 14:03:07 GMT -6
Does anyone have any of their playbooks. This sounds interesting.
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Post by optioncoach on Nov 28, 2005 15:05:37 GMT -6
I watched most of the game and took some notes. I agree with those that said it seemed like single-wing. The play that fresno could not stop in the first half was basically a belly play. I know they zone blocked it some of the time, but they also looked to be running some kind of a G-scheme. Then then ran a keeper off of it and may have been pulling more than one guy out in front of the QB. Same action for the play action and sprint out pass. They were gashing Fresno's defense in the first half. As I was watching the game, I was wondering whether the zone read type plays could be made to work with the RB behind the center as opposed to beside and slightly behind him. I like the shotgun style option out of two backs because of the ability to run option either direction. In one back, the offense is limited to which side you can read because of his alignment. I also am more inclined to run the shotgun option in a similar fashion as Texas A&M. Rather than running the diveback to the left and reading the right DE for give or pull, A&M seems to run more of a tradtional veer mesh out of the gun. I wonder if you could time up the mesh with the QB in the gun (or Pistol) with the diveback right behind him? I wish I had spring ball the tinker with it...
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Post by utepminerfan on Nov 28, 2005 15:14:54 GMT -6
The zone play had me thinking about this for the last part of the day. Ive been drawing stuff all day because of this. Too bad i didnt get to see Nevada play all year.
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Post by optioncoach on Nov 28, 2005 15:17:09 GMT -6
Another quick thought...I was heckled all year for not running much from a shotgun formation, even in passing situations, but I didn't feel like it was our offense, and I am leery of bad snaps... Nevada had just picked up a key first down with about 3 minutes to go (clock stopped working with six minutes left!) and were ready to simply run the clock out, or at least force Fresno to use all their TOs. All of the sudden, the snap goes over the QBs head and they lose 20 yards! They eventually have to punt, Fresno scores in 51 seconds, and Nevada has to recover an onside (which they barely were able to do) to preserve the win. I was sitting there the whole game thinking "man, how cool is this Pistol offense? Maybe all the dads are right...we should be in the gun!" Then the bad snap happened (crucial time) and I turned to my wife and said "that's why we're not a shotgun team!" She didn't care.
I know there are a ton of teams out there that hang their hat on shotgun style offense and seem to avoid the killer bad snap. But it looms over my thinking like a dark cloud...
Am I being overly conservative, or do the Pros outweigh the potential Cons?
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Post by lawless on Nov 28, 2005 16:15:55 GMT -6
I called my offensive assistant Sat night to watch Nevada. I had already drawn up something similar, but based more in doublewing and Utah spread type of plays along with some Diamond stuff we have used for 2 years now. The first play is just the Shovel option and the second is based off the DW Power play putfile.com/pic.php?pic=11/33116110251.jpg&s=x11
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Post by fort on Nov 28, 2005 16:25:21 GMT -6
^^^ I like those ideas.
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Post by lawless on Nov 28, 2005 16:32:22 GMT -6
I have about 10 plays planned out of that set, but those two are my favorites. It will really create a problem for the playside DE/OLB. On the QB keep (DW Power play) the QB's first two steps have to look like the shovel option. When the DE/OLB loosens to play the option, the motion man will earhole him and the QB will turn up inside the motion man's block and follow the pulling BSG.
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Post by hornet on Nov 29, 2005 21:35:53 GMT -6
I finally found a Fb site where this is being discussed! I have posted on a couple other sites and no discussion has taken place. I too watched the Nevada game and was intrigued. What plays to you see you could run from this set? Dive (zone), speed option, Jet, QB trap (fake dive and cutback), Counter -Nevada ran it with a slot faking the dive w/ the slot coming back underneath. You jet experts (which I am not) what would you have the RB do? Nevada had a nice pass plays w/ the QB reversing out and faking the dive and rolling that way and the other was boot away. If anyone knows where to get a playbook please help me out. If you are coming up with stuff/thoughts lets share! Looked like you could run the I formation and blend the Pistol pretty easy. How do you think TB counter would work from Pistol?
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Post by lawless on Dec 1, 2005 9:07:55 GMT -6
TB Counter,
First I would run a lot of jet, with TB coming off the QB's hip to the same side as the Jet is going to. Sometimes you sweep, sometimes you inside zone. Once that is estbalished, have the TB come off the QB's hip just like inside zone and then bend back and follow counter blocking away from the jet.
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Post by brophy on Nov 1, 2006 20:09:09 GMT -6
a year later.....any advances in the proliferation of the pistol?
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Post by tog on Nov 1, 2006 20:42:00 GMT -6
power, sweep, trap, lead, toss, counter in various forms,
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Post by iecoach on Nov 2, 2006 12:56:14 GMT -6
We actually started running the pistol offense as our base this year. Don't really know the intracacies of the offense as I am a defensive coach but it's worked out pretty well for us so far (we're 8-0). I know one of the concerns is the snap, we pretty much ironed that out over spring and summer. We've probably had 4 or 5 bad snaps all season but they were all low and none resulting in a loss of more than 3 yards. Our bread and butter play is the zone but we also run option, FB trap, QB trap, ctr, speed sweep and regular sweep with the z or slot, and toss. We are also incorporating more of our old wing-t stuff (we ran the wing t for 13 years) into the running game. Our kids have bought into the offense and are really having fun with it. Not as much single wing stuff as what you guys are discussing though.
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Post by poweriguy on Nov 2, 2006 17:34:43 GMT -6
I believe Chris Ault was a Wing-T'er from when Nevada was in 1AA. It's no surprise there are wing-t concepts in the pistol. But the pistol is bringing sexy back.
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Post by cartwright on Nov 2, 2006 17:51:30 GMT -6
From what I've seen of it, it looks like the Wing-T with the QB back a little further. They still run all of the basic wing-t plays; in the cut-ups I've seen, the trap/waggle show up all the time.
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Post by coach79 on Nov 6, 2006 0:56:33 GMT -6
I am looking to implement a variance of the pistol offense.
z----------t--g--c--g--t----------z ---------w---------------y -----------------q ------------------ -----------------h
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z--t--g--c--g--t--z w-----------------y ---------q ---------- ---------h
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Post by tog on Nov 6, 2006 7:26:09 GMT -6
I am looking to implement a variance of the pistol offense. z----------t--g--c--g--t----------z ---------w---------------y -----------------q ------------------ -----------------h and z--t--g--c--g--t--z w-----------------y ---------q ---------- ---------h those are how we run it we use a little motion and have some whams, traps, powers, sweeps would like to be running veer from it, but we just don't have a qb for that
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