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Post by coachmathis on May 1, 2007 10:32:05 GMT -6
How do you guys feel about coaches on your staff cursing at players or coaches cursing at each other and do you do either of the two? I've been coaching for three years and I haven't cursed a player out. I don't think that is something that I would ever do. It is partly because at the school I work at that is on the short list of things that will get you fired.if I didnt work here I wouldnt do it. I've felt like cursing at a player before! I haven't cursed at or cursed out any of my fellow coaches. IMO it is very disrespectful whether you are the head coach or a coordinator or whatever to curse at or out another coach. I mean reguardless of profession and the intensity involved in the sport, we are still talking about communication between two adults. I've always felt that there is a certain way you should talk to people and cursing at another adult just isn't one of them.
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Post by mander on May 1, 2007 10:44:59 GMT -6
What about parents cursing at coaches after games? This is a societal problem...
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Post by baggins52 on May 1, 2007 10:50:39 GMT -6
we had a parent two years ago cursing so loud at a game it was getting thru the radio broadcast.
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Post by coachveer on May 1, 2007 10:57:20 GMT -6
If it bothers you that much you do have some options- 1. Are you in position to speak with the other Coach on a one on one basis? 2. If not, you should speak with the HC and ask him to address it. 3. If it is the HC has already approved the behavior or is the one with the problem you can: a. Continue to work for him and coach your kids the best you can. b. Look for other opportunities.
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Post by midlineqb on May 1, 2007 11:06:03 GMT -6
In 1958 my high school told our squad (and every year I played for him), "GENTLEMEN DO NOT USE PROFANITY." It has stuck with me ever since. That was also how I was raised by my parents. I have slipped from time to time in a weak moment of anger.
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Post by donaldduck on May 1, 2007 11:12:28 GMT -6
I try not to use profanity period. I have plenty of other shortcomings for that to be one as well! If my boss chooses to use it, I guess that's his choice. It's not like the kids dont know more words than we do. I just don't do it.
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Post by spartancoach on May 1, 2007 11:15:03 GMT -6
If it bothers you that much you do have some options- 1. Are you in position to speak with the other Coach on a one on one basis? 2. If not, you should speak with the HC and ask him to address it. 3. If it is the HC has already approved the behavior or is the one with the problem you can: a. Continue to work for him and coach your kids the best you can. b. Look for other opportunities. or c. throw him a beating.
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Post by coachcalande on May 1, 2007 12:00:09 GMT -6
I see no need for a coach to curse at a player. Not at the hs level, not at the jr high level, not at the youth level. The field is an extension of the classroom. I dont want to work for a guy who allows that on his staff.
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Post by fort on May 1, 2007 12:50:51 GMT -6
I agree. I'm not a fan of cursing at all (doesn't mean I completely avoid using it outside of my coaching life, but it's not something I like at all really). I would never curse at a player, and I think cursing at another coach is completely disrespectful and ridiculous. A lot of the coaches I work with don't really care if one of the players curses on the bus or something, but I don't go for it at all. The sad thing is, some of the kids I get on for cursing say they are allowed to do it at home. I'm an adult and I've still never cursed in front of my parents. Not sure I ever could, either.
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Post by barnone on May 1, 2007 13:21:36 GMT -6
What do you classify as cursing? Now on the topic of our kids I have never cursed at them, I have you curse words when describing to do something. Sometimes with our kids it drives home what you are trying to relay to them. But under no circumstances curse a kid!!
Now coach to coach is different I worked directly under the DC and me and him had some curse exchanges, but none in a detrimental manner.
I was told by my wife I have to work on my language cause I don't want my childs first words to be 'censored" espicially since it would prob. be said in church where my father in law is a deacon.
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Post by ajreaper on May 1, 2007 15:01:39 GMT -6
In a perfect world no one uses profanity but when it does happen- is it directed at a player/coach or just "said" as part of a statement? A bit of a difference- and I do realize that's splitting hairs but many would see the two in a very different light.
I've got a great use of profanity story but online it would be impossible to do it justice.
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Post by coachmathis on May 1, 2007 15:23:59 GMT -6
I just think that it's unprofessional to curse at another coach. If you were conversing with another teacher you would not curse him or her out if there was an argument because it would be considered unprofessional, in my view, same goes for coaching. If one coach curses at another and the coach who gets cursed at responds with option c as spartancoach put "throw him a beating" that coach would probably be fired or severly reprimended for being unprofessional etc., while the other coach would probably skate. I would definitely get out of a situation ASAP where the HC or any of the coaches curse at other coaches.
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Post by larrymoe on May 1, 2007 15:36:40 GMT -6
I don't think I've ever cursed at a kid, like " YOU %#)$# or $#U%)$*". I have sworn around kids, but mainly in my younger days of coaching. I do occasionally still swear around players, but not regularly and as I get older I'm getting better about my temper and language. Our third game last year doesn't count coachf. It also depends on what you consider cursing too. Saying a$$ instead of butt or s--- instead of crap isn't really a big deal where I'm from. Now I've been places that it was a problem and I've censored myself accordingly. As far as swearing at coaches, I probably do that alot, but not in an angry fashion. More kidding around stuff. I can honestly only think of one instance in which I did it and coachf was the instigator in it. That gosh dang Mr. Tibbs. But even then it wasn't cussing HIM out, it was more the situation we were in.
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Post by coachmoore42 on May 1, 2007 16:30:20 GMT -6
I can honestly say I have never cursed in the presence of one of my players. I very rarely curse with the coaches, and never in anger. It shows a lack of vocabulary in either case and also sets a horrible example for the players.
I am viewed as "high-strung" already, even though I never yell at any of our players. If they mess up to the point I want to scream at them I will replace them, if no one can get it right guess who's fault that is? Yeah, mine.
Neither my current principal nor my former principal have experience in athletics, especially football. They have questioned me about my "yelling" during games. I had to explain to them I am not angry, I am being loud so that the guys can hear me clearly. They thought I was screaming from the opening kickoff until the end of the game.
Bottom line, I do not want my son or daughter (I don't have one yet) yelled or cursed at...it is not necessary to yell directly at a kid to get your point across (speak softly and carry a big stick). You sit their tail on the bench or send them to the locker room if they loaf or their mind isn't into it, but yelling and/or cursing only multiplies the existing problem and usually creates more problems.
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Post by fbdoc on May 1, 2007 16:46:56 GMT -6
Seems like this was a hot topic this summer. This time around the posts appear to be very much on the same line that - gosh, you shouldn't curse...
As the warrior once said:
"Regard your soldiers as children, and they may follow you wherever you may lead. Look upon them as your beloved sons and they will stand by you unto death." Sun-Tzu
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Post by optioncoach on May 1, 2007 19:15:40 GMT -6
I cuss my 11 year old son out more than any player I've had.
I've had my moments...none like my first year, in the last game of the year, after I had a second kid thrown out for fighting. I asked him why he punched the kid. Answer: "I just couldn't take it anymore." Then I lost it...kind of like when the Sergeant from Full Metal Jacket was telling Gomer Pyle to get off of his obstacle. I didn't call him a "slimy walrus looking..." though.
As I've grown, I've matured (sort of...) to the point where I try to avoid cussing in front of the kids.
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Post by SetHut on May 1, 2007 20:10:54 GMT -6
"At Texas. . . we don't cuss 'em. . . we coach 'em." Macke Brown, Head Football Coach UT
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Post by Coach Huey on May 1, 2007 20:41:36 GMT -6
"At Texas. . . we don't cuss 'em. . . we coach 'em." Macke Brown, Head Football Coach UT exactly ... will cussing them make 'em learn it? not likely to have any more affect than you simply correcting them - i.e. coaching 'em - so why bother cussing 'em? likely to turn 'em off rather than teach 'em up. same goes for "yelling" ... yell all the time, loses effect. if you were teaching a kid how to add 2 + 2 would you yell at him to get him to learn it?
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Post by kboyd on May 1, 2007 21:11:06 GMT -6
I try not to swear but it does happen. I don't ever swear at a player - it goes back to something that I was taught at the beginning of my coaching life and use as a big part of life in general, "praise in groups and reprimand alone".
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Post by larrymoe on May 1, 2007 21:12:34 GMT -6
Gosh I hate the phrase coach em up.
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Post by touchdowng on May 1, 2007 23:07:09 GMT -6
Tony Dungy Lovie Smith
What better examples for leaders of men?
I heard that when Lovie gets mad, he might say "Jimminy" If he's really mad it's, "Jimminy Christmas!"
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Post by jjkuenzel on May 1, 2007 23:14:42 GMT -6
I think one of the best lines I ever heard about a coach swearing was from one of Dean Smiths former players. He said that Coach Smith would never swear, but that there were times when the players wished he would have.
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Post by CVBears on May 2, 2007 9:44:00 GMT -6
I think "curse" and "curse out" are two totally different things. Curse is using profanity. To me "cursing out" someone is essentially yelling at them while putting them down.
In a previous life I believe I was a sailor and the language has stuck with me. Just like anyone else, I curb the use of my beloved "F" word (and others) around the kids. I have accidentally slipped out an a_ _ or a s_ _ _, maybe twice total. Never dropped the F bomb. I say "Hot D a m n" after a big play, something finally coming together in practice, a win, etc.
I have never cussed a kid out, but I have said a curse word infront of a kid. IMO, there is a difference.
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Post by pigskin13 on May 2, 2007 10:26:22 GMT -6
Got called in last year for telling my DE he had to sqeeze tight off the Tight End's A_ _ when he blocks down.
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Post by coachcoyote on May 2, 2007 21:00:29 GMT -6
None of us are paragons of virtue. Make a mistake, correct it and move on. I don't curse at the kids, maybe the situation, but not the kids. I've certainly slipped and dropped the F bomb, but never addressed it at a player's action or inaction. I try to use better words, but if they start streaming, look out.
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Post by coachjim on May 4, 2007 0:27:38 GMT -6
As DC last year, I mixed up the A-Gaps with the A-holes while teaching how to get through the offensive gaps. One of the kids responded, "Uh, did you say go in through the A-hole coach?" Then it hit me... how embarrassing.
I grew up with swearing all around me and you start to do it yourself without realizing it. For some reason, and i'm not even sure its a morality thing, I emphasize with my kids and my own kids never to do it. Personally, I think if you want to make a point, you do it by explaining it correctly. If you are just swearing to swear, you may think you look tough to the kids, and you might, but its the wrong thing to be teaching them about life. If you get that upset, perhaps its time to go back and teach badminton which is a little less strenuous.
Do you also tell your kids there is no Santa and talk about sex? Its inappropriate at any level. I'm no prude, I just think very low of it and coaches should think twice before teaching the kids anything other than football and good values. Why? I can't honestly say. It just seems wrong and reduces the morality of those around you too. Just wait to see how long before the players and parents start cursing too, and then you might as well be at a boxing match.
IMHO.
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Post by splitricky5 on May 4, 2007 5:31:44 GMT -6
I want to prepare my kids for life after high school. Now some of them may go on to be people who do not need to censor what they say in the workforce because of where they work. However, some of them will be going on to college and (being a Social Studies teacher) hopefully into some form of civic service. You have to teach these guys how to be professonal and when they need to act professional.
If you are sitting around with your buddies, I can guarantee you that you tell different stories and jokes than you do with your boss around. This is what we have to instill in our kids. I want to be 100% professional when I step on the sidelines or on the practice field, so I am going to keep my mouth under control. You want to teach your kids how to maintain poise under pressure? Then don't throw around meaningless language when something doesn't go your way.
I'll never forget going back to my alma mater and watching a game from the sidelines. Our starting LB got a personal foul for cussing at the ref. He comes off the field and the head coach yells at him: "Why can't you keep your f***ing mouth shut." Really encouraging poise there, eh?
I want my players to understand that we are professionals. We are showing up at a business to take care of business. This isn't a saturday afternoon in a backyard shooting the breeze. Can you still have fun? Absolutely. But the tone, mood, and attitude is different. They need this skill to be successful in life. I stub my toe at home, you can bet your sweet hind end I'm cussing that chair for getting in the way of my foot. My boss and I have a disagreement, you can bet that I am going to handle it professionally.
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Post by 3rdandlong on May 5, 2007 10:43:02 GMT -6
I agree with ignorantrookie. Cussing out a kid and just cussing in general are two TOTALLY DIFFERENT things. I like to think of myself as a person with an extended vocabulary, but I do cuss a helluva lot and I think something that no one here has mentioned is that if used properly cussing can be an effective tool. I know this might sound crazy, but IMO there's just no better adjectives than some of those forbidden four letter words. I know that when i was a player I would remember coaching points when there were some kind of funny curse words used to get them across. With that being said coaching AT a player or coach is completely wrong.
AJreaper, lets hear the story even if you can't do it justice.
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