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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 22, 2007 9:52:48 GMT -6
The USC Trojan basketball team and Tim Floyd accepted a verbal commitment from a 14 year old who has yet to enter high school. I also believe that they accepted one from a kid last year.
Any comments? Am I the only one who thinks this CAN NOT be a good thing for anyone involved, especially the kid. Is there any possible way that being offered a scholarship at 14 would NOT stunt this kid's emotional growth? Can you imagine the potential ego of this kid and his parents as things go on..."Coach doesn't know anything, I have already been offered" (or "my boy has already been offered")
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Post by coachmathis on Jun 22, 2007 12:58:58 GMT -6
Im not sure how I feel about it as a basketball coach but if I remember correctly this isnt the first time that this has happened. Surpisingly coach, a lot of the big time basketball players began getting scouted in middle school. I believe it was earlier this year, but one of the big sports magazines (I think ESPN) ran a story about a kid who wasn't even in middle school that was supposedly like the best basketball player in the class of 20and whatever year he would graduate. LeBron had his own diary in SLAM magazine as a sophmore and they said he was the best ball player in high school then. In Bob Knights book he admitted going to watch Damon Bailey play in junior high. That could be one result coach but at the same time these top tier high school basketball players get so much attention that pumps up their egos it's unreal. If he hadn't signed at 14 and he is really that good he is likely to be all over tv, magazines and newspapers until he goes to college. My point is that the ego inflation and attention were going to come reguardless if this kid is that good. I mean ESPN reported on LeBron like he was already in the NBA. If the kid has good parents he will be ok. Dwight Howard was a phenom and he appears to have a solid foundation at home and he seems very humble. 4 this reason he wasn't plastered all over our tv's,magazines and newspapers with the exception of the game that was nationally televised when he played against Randolph Morris. This is all IMHO
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Post by Coach Bruce on Jun 22, 2007 13:33:48 GMT -6
I just wonder if the kid flops in highsxhool if his ship will be honored? There are websites that track 5th and 6th graders as they progress. Sick really. No other way to describe it.
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Post by CoachDaniel on Jun 22, 2007 13:51:43 GMT -6
How about the teacher who has to fail one of these kids and make them ineligible? Sorry kid, I know USC has had you locked up for 5 years....but...
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Post by mjfeldman on Jun 23, 2007 9:25:06 GMT -6
All bad... let's let the kid grow up, enjoy high school... heck, he probably hasn't even finished puberty yet and we're talking about being a Trojan?
joe4372... I agree, I wouldn't want to be the teacher that has him in class. EVERYTHING you do would be viewed as a threat to his future. I can only imagine how this would affect his behavior and level of participation in my social studies class.
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Post by saintrad on Jun 23, 2007 11:02:05 GMT -6
all i know is that it makes my life as an 8th grade boys basketball coach that much harder now. All my kids already think they are NBA material as it is, now they are going to play the "your ruining my scholarship" angle now.
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Post by ex-centralcoach on Jun 23, 2007 11:56:36 GMT -6
This just in 26 year old football coach with 2 years of eligibility left just verbally committed to Ohio State. ;D
About the kid, I cant think this is a good thing. I didnt think he could be offered a scholarship yet?
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Post by Yash on Jun 23, 2007 12:15:03 GMT -6
he can't be offered a scholarship. The coaches aren't even allowed to make contact with the player unless the player comes to them. But they can accept verbal commitments. Basically it means nothing. They don't have to offer him a scholarship if they don't want to when he is actually able to sign. You can't sign until late in your junior year so this really all means nothing. The kid has got to have a huge ego over this. How would you like to be the varsity coach that doesn't bring a freshman up to play even though hes already commited to USC. its a joke really.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 23, 2007 20:55:14 GMT -6
YASH--you are right that officially it means nothing until a signed letter of intent is processed. HOWEVER, In a more practical sense, (and according to Tim Floyd himself) USC "has to" honor the offer, otherwise will hurt them in recruiting.
Bottom line is that sport of basketball in the United States is becoming more and more an individual sport. Because the teams are relatively small, the egos are getting much bigger.
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Post by briangilbert on Jun 24, 2007 11:17:07 GMT -6
Example #3,289 why Basketball is a joke, and why Football is the only sport I care about in this country.
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Post by coach79 on Jun 24, 2007 16:53:43 GMT -6
The "Letter of Intent" in reality means nothing. How many kids do we hear about each year that decide to go somewhere else? Just my Opinion.
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Post by Coach Huey on Jun 24, 2007 17:21:28 GMT -6
The "Letter of Intent" in reality means nothing. How many kids do we hear about each year that decide to go somewhere else? Just my Opinion. Actually, if an athlete signs a national letter of intent, then the penalty for backing out is that he must attend the 'new' university for 1 full academic year before he can participate. Now, the thing can be nullified if the student-athlete fails to qualify for admission (sat scores, gpa, etc.). After a recruit signs a letter of intent, other schools are prohibited from recruiting him.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 24, 2007 18:26:30 GMT -6
Correct Huey---coach 79, I think you mean that the "verbal commitment" is meaningless, and it is.
However, I think the ramifications on this kid and his development...and on his parents..and FUTURE parents/kids could be disastrous.
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Post by ccscoach on Jun 25, 2007 10:07:59 GMT -6
Wow tuff to compete with the Football program at USC??? If I was a coach there I would be heated makes the entire athletic program look stupid, I wish Pete Carroll or Pat Ruel would punch Tim Floyd in the mouth.......Oh by the way were is Mike Garret on this makes the former Trojan back look like an idiot also.
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Post by phantom on Jul 1, 2007 20:13:55 GMT -6
Correct Huey---coach 79, I think you mean that the "verbal commitment" is meaningless, and it is. However, I think the ramifications on this kid and his development...and on his parents..and FUTURE parents/kids could be disastrous. I just finished working at camp which means that I drove a lot and listened to a lot of sports radio. Tim Floyd was a guest on one of those shows. Floyd said that it was the kid's parents who initiated the process. According to Floyd, what do you do? If you don't offer- and they had identified the kid, believe it or not, as a legit prospect- you pi$$ off the parents. He also pointed out that years ago Bob Knight had offered Damon Bailey in the 8th grade. Think what you will about Knight, noone can question his respect for the game or the rules. Do I think this is a god thing? Hell, no. I can understand it, though.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 2, 2007 11:05:00 GMT -6
Oh, I agree Phantom. I heard Floyd interviewed on the Dan Patrick show, and he said the same thing. This is a case where the NCAA needs to play the "bad cop" so that the parents/kid will be upset with the NCAA and its rules, and not the schools.
He is in between a rock and a hard place... but not that hard a place. This is a case where the parents are caught in the loony world. Asking a coach if he would accept a commitment of an 8th grader..simply ludicrous, and most likely done for the ego.
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Post by khalfie on Jul 2, 2007 19:54:03 GMT -6
I disagree 5085...
This was a perfect time for Floyd to be a man of integrity... tell the wacked out parents, to focus on the maturation of their child and not the pipe dreams of the NBA.
If the NBA is a reality, it will be there, the most important aspect right now is the maturation of their boy to handle the NBA or even Collegiate life as an All Star.
Everyone wants to pass the buck! What we need are men of influence in which the "Buck stops here!"
There are a million basketball studs... and there will be a million more to come... to live and die on an 8th grader is not only pathetic, but disgusting.
I refuse to allow an 17 year old to control my future, I definitely won't allow an 8th grader.
Give the parents an earful... let them know what you believe is important.. and if they don't find that commendable, then you're doing yourself a favor, because that child will be nothing more than an extension of delusional parents.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 2, 2007 20:13:37 GMT -6
Khalfie--pretty easy from the cheap seats...and I don't mean that as an insult. I mean it is much easier to comment on things and have some type of moral superiority when it doesn't affect you. I am not sure how current you are on the collegiate basketball recruiting scene, but these guys ARE identified and tracked from 5th and 6th grades (thanks to AAU coaches). That is the reality he works in. He wasn't happy about it in the interviews, you could tell, but HE also wasn't prepared to sacrifice his job to stand on "principle"
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