caseys8527
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Post by caseys8527 on Jul 18, 2011 22:21:59 GMT -6
I will probably only have 1 offensive and one defensive coach in the box this year. and my entire staff (including me) is pretty green.
Does anyone have a job description /duties of their coaches in the box?
-I promise at somepoint I will contribute to this forum rather then ask all the questions (at least that is what I tell myself!
Thank you!
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Post by 3rdandlong on Jul 18, 2011 23:01:35 GMT -6
Sometimes it's as simple as them consistently telling you down and distance and hash mark, but it all depends on what you expect. Some of them are expected to chart formation and plays. It will be pretty tough if you only have one coach for each side of the ball in the booth however. You probably want your most savvy x's and o's type of guy in the booth.
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Post by Coach Huey on Jul 19, 2011 13:38:36 GMT -6
offense:
coach A - down/distance immediately after the play. keeps a hit chart (where we ran/threw; gain/loss). watches backside pursuit (specifically DE/LB gap exchange and secondary rotation)
coach B - keeps the tackle chart (who made the tackle) and notifies when asked. watches point of attack (specifically 2nd & 3rd level reactions)
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Post by sandstorm on Jul 19, 2011 13:58:29 GMT -6
Defense
Coach A - down/distance immediately after the play. keeps a hit chart (where they ran/threw; gain/loss, result). Watches OL vs DL and eyes open for keys...and keep track of HOQ's. (Hit on QB)
Coach B - Formation and Personnel. Call Chart.
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Post by k on Jul 20, 2011 0:50:37 GMT -6
Coach A: Tells me the presnap coverage and if it changed post snap. He should watch the routes on passes and on runs watch watch the backside misdirection key.
Coach B: Tells me where the bubbles are and how they close post snap if they do. On pass plays it is his job to tell me where the pass pro broke down.
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Post by dacoachmo on Jul 20, 2011 6:54:44 GMT -6
I have spend many a year up in the box and still am amazed at the coaches that can write down info and watch the play...Is there a form that coaches find the best?
FYI, I will focus on part of the O or D. I need binoculars to see LINE PLAY which means the other coach watches SECONDARY.
I'm able to write down some notes after the play...such as alignment. The other coach writes down the defense and can offer who made the tackle (and form where)
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caseys8527
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Post by caseys8527 on Jul 22, 2011 8:44:28 GMT -6
So it sounds like you all recommend if I have two guys that they both work offense and defense?
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Post by jpdaley25 on Jul 22, 2011 9:07:16 GMT -6
Add opponent's substitutions and allignment tells to the watch list. Offensively I want to know how the defense is lined up, front and coverage, depth and leverage. Defensively I want to make sure we are lined up correctly and where how and why the defense breaks down to allow positive gain.
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Post by brophy on Jul 22, 2011 12:15:56 GMT -6
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caseys8527
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Post by caseys8527 on Jul 22, 2011 22:44:19 GMT -6
Brophy - this is great. I appreciate it. Thank you.
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Post by coachwoodall on Jul 23, 2011 14:53:52 GMT -6
We are fortunate to have 2 for D and 2 for O. But back in the day, I have been 1 of 2 and few times the only 1.
I made up some simple formation/hit chart sheets that I just added tic marks as the game progressed.
- the first one I made (by hand) had the offensive formation and how we thought the opponent would line up verses it based on film. This took up about the top 1/4 of the sheet. Then below it I devided the space in half (like a portrait) and had 8-10 more mini versions of the formation that I I could draw on based on how they were actually lining up or the adjustments they were making. Now I had some thing that I could bring down at half time, or in a pinch hand to a runner to send to the sideline. I used the margins to makes notes about play that were/werenot working. WE were a formation team at the time and would focus on 3-4 formations week, so I didn't have but 4-5 sheets to shuffle through at the most.
- Another one I worked up for defense was based on formation/play. Again from film work, I had a sheet of divided into 6 sections with a mini drawing of the formation and on the edge of each box, the top plays that were ran to the strength and to the weak side of the formation. If they were a big motion team (especially if the motion meant something like a type of play) I would have a catagory for that as well. AS the game went along I would just add tic marks beside each play to see if they were on schedule based on the scout work, or it they were breaking tendencies. I would bring that down at half time to go over, or again could simply tally it up as the game was progressing to relay down to the side line.
If we played a team that used several formation, I usually tried to have a 2 RB sheet and a 1 RB sheet.
At half time I made sure to change the color of my pen I used for the tic marks so I could see if they had made any adjustments at half time.
-The other one we use is a Down&Distance/Play sheet. Basically it is just like the Formaiton/Play sheet except we just just track top plays verse the D&D. Basical break down is 1&10; 2nd & long (8+), mediuim (4-7), and short (0-3); and 3rd & long (7+), meduim (3-7), and short (0-2).
Again be sure to change colors at half time.
That what you dont' have to write so much during the game, all your writing is done during the week as you are planning.
**One coach I worked with a had a system for Formaiton/Play was to keep track of D&D at the same time. He had a hand full of different colored pens and has he was making his tic marks, each color meant a different down. Too much for me to keep track of.
The key like in Brophy's article is to speak the same language. Whenever I take a new job I make sure that I know exactly what the guy I am talking on the side line wants to hear and exactly what it MEANS. I learned that early the hard way. If you are trying out new stuff (new team, offense/defense, coaches, etc...) Not only do you need to rep it durng the week, but do it during scrimmages/jambos too.
There are also lots of different reminders you may need to keep in the box as well---- keeping track of time outs (if you scoreboard doesn't), personnell changes/key personnel substitutions, depth chart ( b/c you ain't going to be on the side line to run around and find somebody to grab, you're in the box), special teams charts, kill the clock charts, quick refernce for penalties, lay out of the staduim sections so you can point out the mummy mummies to the coaches on the sideline, dip cup, water bottles, sunglasses, poncho, etc....
sorry for all the typos, trying to finish before supper....
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Post by coachwoodall on Jul 23, 2011 15:41:50 GMT -6
I will probably only have 1 offensive and one defensive coach in the box this year. and my entire staff (including me) is pretty green. Does anyone have a job description /duties of their coaches in the box? -I promise at somepoint I will contribute to this forum rather then ask all the questions (at least that is what I tell myself! Thank you! And hey don't sweat the questions, that is what the fraternity is for
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caseys8527
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Post by caseys8527 on Jul 24, 2011 19:59:33 GMT -6
Coach Woodall- great stuff. Let me chew on this a bit and I am sure I will have questions
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Post by salaz on Jul 25, 2011 11:33:04 GMT -6
D&D, substitutions, and focus on the opposite sideline that we cannot see as well from our sideline. If we have 2 or more coaches up there, we will chart things, but we do most of our spotting from below.
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Post by bear42 on Jul 29, 2011 20:08:34 GMT -6
I love everything that has been said. I have been in the box for the last two years and it is an ART to see (everything). One person asks watch my DE on this play and then your asked where did the backside LB go, Hmm, well.
We played a team in our playoffs and they had 11 coaches in the box, which was split O/D, we had two, not counting the wasps.
Charts help, greatly!!
One thing that hasn't been mentioned is the person in the box needs to know the rule book inside and out. When a flag hits the field it is only seconds until you need to make a decision and sometimes there are multiple options. Plus your trying to decide on the next play or other game time decisions and you may forget an option that you are entitled to.
And clock management, particularly towards the end of the half or game. 1min 30 secs "coach take a knee three times and milk the clock" ball game
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caseys8527
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Post by caseys8527 on Jul 29, 2011 23:23:32 GMT -6
Bear. Good stuff
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Post by 664jeff on Aug 1, 2011 10:39:14 GMT -6
Almost as important to list what to keep out of the box. Parents, coaches who want to be cheerleaders, and coaches who act as play by play guys.
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Post by mattharris75 on Aug 1, 2011 12:08:24 GMT -6
This will be my third season in the box, and I plan to do things a bit differently this year. I'm working up several charts (based on formation) with our bread and butter plays listed along with different things to look for on each play. There are 2 categories: defensive alignments and defensive reactions. And based on those things, I've listed plays that are favorable against what we are seeing.
For instance, I've got one chart for a Pro formation, which is our #1 formation.
On that chart I have the play 'Inside Veer' listed.
Under that I have a list of alignments and reactions.
Alignments include the number of safeties, corner leverage, placement of overhang players, and also whether we check opposite.
Reactions include fast flowing FS or backside safety, fast flow backside linebacker, etc.
Next to each of these alignments and reactions is one or more plays that would be favorable to run based on what we're seeing.
So, if the play call is inside veer, I can look at my list of alignment keys and should be able to find at least 1 pre-snap. Then I can look down at my list of reaction keys and find one of those to watch during the play.
So, based on those two (or possibly more) things, I have an idea of the direction I'd like to go in terms of play calling.
It's basically an 'if = then' chart that is specific to my offense.
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Post by fatkicker on Aug 1, 2011 18:38:05 GMT -6
I like one part of your question....job description......whatever you choose to do be specific with your coaches...
my first year in the box was great...specific assignments...head coach told me exactly what he wanted every week.....
Second year in the box was a mess....different header and no specifics....just hell raising on the radio like i was suppose to read his mind.....
Also...i wasn't trusted....put somebody up there you trust....if he calls it like he sees it, you gotta believe him...otherwise he becomes a spectator with the best view...
Good luck!!
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Post by TMGPG on Aug 2, 2011 17:17:12 GMT -6
I would make sure that you give those guys all assignments that they need to do each play so that they are not just a spectator and they have certain things that they have to look for. If you get too many up in the box then the focus might be lost as well. I thing that I would incourage for you lowest level guy is to bring him on the sideline as a "get back coach" and that same person can deal with any equipment issues that you have as well.
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