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Post by oguru on Dec 29, 2005 0:38:40 GMT -6
I have just been hired as an offensive coordinator at the d3 college level.
I am a spread offense Urban Meyer style offensive coach,and the head coach knew this when he hired me, as this is what he wanted to start running.
Today while I was in the offense diagramming the plays. He walked into my office,and asked me if we are going to run any two back formations.
I replied by saying no,and then asked why. He then said he thought that it might be a good idea.
I do ahve some two back offensive inormation. However I am not a two back offensive coach,and he and I both agreed that based on our personnel,and schedule. It will be best to run the spread.
My qwuestion is seeing I just took the job. Do I start looking for a new job at the convention seeing the ehad coach wants to run 2 back formations.
Or do I stick to my guns,and run the sread where we are in the shotgun 95% of the time.
Any help would be appreciated.
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Post by Coach Huey on Dec 29, 2005 0:42:11 GMT -6
"I've lived that movie"
see what carry-over you can get by going to a 2-back set. discuss it with the hc and explain that you do plan to use it in a limited capacity i.e. short yardage, goalline, milk-the-clock.
see where that leads you...
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Post by bigdaddyd on Dec 29, 2005 1:45:24 GMT -6
Good point...
I'm not a college Head Coach (actually a High School HC), but I believe you should do what you had initially planned. If he hired you to call the "O" knowing your offensive approach. You should do just that... but I can understand trying to avoid confrontation. It probably would be best to have a sit down ...
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Post by lochness on Dec 29, 2005 6:36:43 GMT -6
I don't agree at all.
The head coach is the head coach. If he wants to run the full-house "T" formation, that's what you run. It's either that or start looking for a new job.
I understand that it maybe was completely unethical and "dishonest" for him to hire you under a false understanding. However, it is his program and you work for him. You can't go against his wishes. An OC doesn't have free reign over the offense. You are an instrument of the HC's philosophy.
Bottom line, I'd have a conversation to find out where this is going. If you don't like the results of that conversation, you should resign immediately. That way, he can get the kind of OC he really needs, and you can coach at a school that likes running that Urban Myer stuff.
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Post by los on Dec 29, 2005 8:17:42 GMT -6
Just put in a little 2 back shotgun stuff!
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Post by brophy on Dec 29, 2005 8:47:56 GMT -6
Didn't Auburn run something like this a year ago? They were out of the gun a little bit, but had the Brown/Williams thing going on.
I'm sure you have to make concessions for your current roster - what offense did they run previously?
By two-backs does he mean fullback / tailback? Or can you put your H with your Z, or A with your Z back there with QB?
If you're running gun spread then the 2 back gun stuff is the most likely stuff you may need. Is he asking for two back for short-yardage or what is the rationale?
oguru, Sturdy says he can meet with me after the recruiting process (middle of January) and I'll be able to send those tapes your way, man. If there's anything specifically YOU need out of that, pm me.(will give me something else to talk about him with).
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Post by los on Dec 29, 2005 9:10:52 GMT -6
Yeah they did, Brophy but that Williams kid was- well pretty awesome in any kinda offense!
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Post by toprowguy on Dec 29, 2005 9:51:10 GMT -6
The spread is what we run but I have realy been studying what West Virginia does an dthey use a ton of two back formations.
I would try and get a hold of some of their game films.
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Post by tog on Dec 29, 2005 9:53:19 GMT -6
two back gun would be great for veer
a lot of the urban meyer stuff turns into two back the way they motion to it
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Post by tye2021 on Dec 29, 2005 11:51:54 GMT -6
As a guy hoping to one day get a coaching job running an offense, I think you should make SOME concessions. First find out if he wants to run a split backfield or the I. Alot of your plays run from the spilt set can be run under center or from the gun. Also you should consider the type of players you have. If you have two good backs you could be hurting your offensive productivity by not allowing them to utilize their talents. Having said that over the next couple of years hopefully you and the HC will be able to recruit the players you want in order to go to an all spread offense. Keep in mind that this is his team and he knows the players better than you do right now. Also he may have made commitments to those kids when he recruited them and he probably wants to honor that commitment the same way coaches expect players to honor theirs.
You may have to give a little today in order to get a what you want tomorrow.
Good Luck!
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Post by Coach Huey on Dec 29, 2005 11:55:43 GMT -6
find out WHY the hc wants to run the 2-back stuff. this will help you understand his side a little better. BUT, it will also show ways in which you can present your stuff to him that answers those things he wants from the 2-back. he might "fear" the spread due to some myths....find out what those are and present hard evidence that it is just a myth. you're not battling the guy for control, but, you're showing him that the way you originally agreed on works in getting what he needed from the 2-back and/or it shows that you will use the 2-back in a limited capacity to achieve some of those things. but, explain that too much may not be the answer -- time & teaching constraints.
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Post by groundchuck on Dec 29, 2005 15:03:25 GMT -6
Sit down and find out exactly what he wants done, and why. Don't assume. Just tell him what you said here and you want to find out what he has in mind. You want this to work as a team. You want the HC behind you b/c if you guys don't move the ball running "your stuff" pretty soon he'll be running his stuff. I do agree with lochness. If the HC wants to run the Notre Dame box then that is what you run. But explain to him how you think the spread stuff will be benificial in the long run. At the d3 college level there should be plenty of time to install a 2-RB package.
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Post by oguru on Dec 30, 2005 2:35:59 GMT -6
Well ater sleeping on it. I talked to him today,and we worked everything out. After basically going through the interview with more indepth information about the spread offense,and what we would do. He is in favir of it. One of the things which I knew about the conference that we are in is the fact that no one in the league runs it,and thats a good thing for us, as everyone we play will only have three days to get ready for it with their players on the field.
I always was going to put in soem two back gun stuff,as it fits some of the old two abck stuff we ran at my old school. So that is know understood and he likes that. He is not a bog fan of the option, which is his main thing about the style of offense I run.
Also I have been told that he has been at the school he is at for five years,and has just had his first winning season. The AD has told him he is not to call the offense which he has for the five years he has been there he is to be just head coach. So if they do not get things turned around this year, it could be over really quick for him.
Also I looked at the personnel we have and we are very young, on offense graduating some very good players. We are especially young on the line,and in the wr's and RB's,and have a QB who can run. He likes having mobile QB's and we have several on our roster.
After hearing rumors about this, he told me that he is on thin ice for this year,and needs to win. I told hikm that I will do my best to help him accomplish his goal of getting two winning seasons in a row. The conference is not the toughest in the world, but is very competitive. One of the problems they have had since he got there is they lose games they shouldn't. So I am starting to look at those films as well.
Thank you for all of your input,and if any of you ahve any film on teams like Oklahoma,Texas,Texas A&M, Oregon, or West Virginia, or any other team that runs the ball from the gun at the college level. Please send me a PM. I like looking at othr ways people run the ball from the Gun.
Once again thanks
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Post by Coach Huey on Dec 30, 2005 2:38:24 GMT -6
Well ater sleeping on it. I talked to him today,and we worked everything out. After basically going through the interview with more indepth information about the spread offense,and what we would do. He is in favir of it. One of the things which I knew about the conference that we are in is the fact that no one in the league runs it,and thats a good thing for us, as everyone we play will only have three days to get ready for it with their players on the field. I always was going to put in soem two back gun stuff,as it fits some of the old two abck stuff we ran at my old school. So that is know understood and he likes that. He is not a bog fan of the option, which is his main thing about the style of offense I run. Also I have been told that he has been at the school he is at for five years,and has just had his first winning season. The AD has told him he is not to call the offense which he has for the five years he has been there he is to be just head coach. So if they do not get things turned around this year, it could be over really quick for him. Also I looked at the personnel we have and we are very young, on offense graduating some very good players. We are especially young on the line,and in the wr's and RB's,and have a QB who can run. He likes having mobile QB's and we have several on our roster. After hearing rumors about this, he told me that he is on thin ice for this year,and needs to win. I told hikm that I will do my best to help him accomplish his goal of getting two winning seasons in a row. The conference is not the toughest in the world, but is very competitive. One of the problems they have had since he got there is they lose games they shouldn't. So I am starting to look at those films as well. Thank you for all of your input,and if any of you ahve any film on teams like Oklahoma,Texas,Texas A&M, Oregon, or West Virginia, or any other team that runs the ball from the gun at the college level. Please send me a PM. I like looking at othr ways people run the ball from the Gun. Once again thanks dude....you don't know just how familiar that sounds. i'm was/am in a very, very similar situation |
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Post by groundchuck on Dec 30, 2005 9:02:37 GMT -6
Good luck.
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Post by brophy on Dec 30, 2005 12:55:58 GMT -6
oguru.....
You watching Virginia vs Minnesota?
Va doing a lot of 2 back gun....
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Post by bigdaddyd on Dec 30, 2005 14:07:39 GMT -6
Good to hear everthing has been settled. Congratulations! and Good luck!!
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