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Post by bigm0073 on Jul 9, 2011 18:34:46 GMT -6
Ok let me start with we did 7 on 7 this spring... two tournaments and for about 7 weeks. We got a lot done.. Installed whole pass game.. BUT..
I am on some cable channel and here we are in the month of July and there are 7 on 7 All Star teams playing? What the he!! is this about? QB are holding the ball FREAKING FOREVER!! It just drives me nuts.
I really like 7 on 7 in March, April, May months.. Gets the kids thinking and doing some football. I do believe there is a purpose.. But All Star Teams in July... With announcers giving their perspective, analysis... I am sorry it is kind of annoying.
I feel like they are trying to make this into an AAU type of thing... Really enough already..
Ok I am done... ;D
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Post by shamespiral on Jul 9, 2011 18:48:02 GMT -6
They are making it into an AAU thing. Complete with street agents and everything.
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Post by blb on Jul 9, 2011 19:07:55 GMT -6
They are making it into an AAU thing. Complete with street agents and everything. Yep. That Genie is already out of the bottle. |
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Post by GregH on Jul 9, 2011 19:19:15 GMT -6
On another thread I defended 7 on 7 against many coaches who were saying it wasn't beneficial to their programs. It was the usual criticism of teams running patterns they didn't run during the season and defenses cheating their LBs back, and etc. However I have to agree with the criticism of televised all-star teams and things of that nature. That means QBs are throwing to receivers who aren't on their team, DBs are communicating with LBs from other teams, and generally high school players are getting stroked way too much. This is not good for the participants or the game.
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Post by shamespiral on Jul 9, 2011 19:38:35 GMT -6
We've already seen issues with some of these 7 on 7 agents... i.e. Oregon and the Badger 7 on 7 Camps.
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Post by jgordon1 on Jul 9, 2011 20:19:34 GMT -6
well, like someone said..the genie is out of the bottle....how do you take advantage..one of the things that is hitting this area is a spring travel league for rising 9ths..at first I was like you..upset..mad..wrote a nasty letter to the coach..well this year I decided to go check them out..those guys were working their tails off..i spoke w/ the whole team..watched practice..I will be hiring the HC next year as one of my assistants..going to have all my 8th graders play..going to try to get him to use our terminolgy..another thing...bigM don't know about your county but we are getting 40 practice dates with helmets not including doubles next year...15 in the winter..15 in the spring and 10 in the summer
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Post by bigm0073 on Jul 9, 2011 21:08:12 GMT -6
The AAU thing has not really hit our middle school yet.. Lord knows it is coming.. It is Fing COMICAL listening to the commentary from these idiot announcers & recruiting gurus... All of these ESPN top 100, 150... 5 star, 4 star recruits...
I do not know about you but I have NEVER COACHED a player that was a 4 star or 5 star recruit.. Let alone a ESPN 100, 150 or whatever... HELL I can barley get Christopher Newport or other half azz D-II and D-III programs to recruit my players (HUDL clips still not much interest)...
HOW THE Heck does this connect with me?
Jgordon,
We have unlimited amount of time PER the VHSL goverinig laws.. Our region/District will leave it up to our discrection next winter, spring and fall.... We already planned for this 2 years ago when my AD told me this was going to happen. Our intallation and schedule for for the Winter/Spring/Summer is already in place for 2012..
My AD iS awesome!!!! SHE ROCKS!!!!
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Post by hamerhead on Jul 9, 2011 22:54:16 GMT -6
I think CoachHuey.com needs a section dedicated to 7 on 7 discussion. Jesus....
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Post by Coach Huey on Jul 9, 2011 23:57:10 GMT -6
7on7 ... a heated topic, no doubt.
but, I look at it much like this - some schools swear by ___ as making them better. the ___ could be anything, from the offense they run, the lifts they do, the off-season activities, whatever. there are so many variables that it is impossible for someone to declare this is what is beneficial, and this is what is not.
off-season rules vary drastically from state to state. which means that the activities a program does is going to vary from state to state.
here, in Texas, we pretty much mirror NCAA rules/guidelines. so, the practices & methods we employ will likely be different from those used by schools in other states. that makes it almost an apples to oranges debate when discussing many off-season things. 7on7 is one of those things. It is done differently here than, perhaps, other states. So, discussions regarding it are going to be viewed differently as well.
My only 'suggestion' is that one take it with a grain of salt and not lump all of them into one group. Dissing the way someone does it or praising the way of another may not equate to everyone's rules & regulations they have to follow. I am not concerned if another coach values it or if a coach feels it worthless - to each his own... much like the style of offense they choose or the methods by which they prepare the players for the season.
I guess we could look at things as "does it make us WORSE than if we did nothing?" There may be no way to quantify if various off-season activities make us BETTER, but if it isn't making us worse, then perhaps we can back off the total damnation of it.
I really have no point in this thread other than to say, let's not make generic statements or declarations.
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Post by blb on Jul 10, 2011 6:55:49 GMT -6
I suspect if a HS coach in Texas did NOT have a summer 7-on-7 schedule, it would be grounds for serious criticism if not dismissal.
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Post by Defcord on Jul 10, 2011 15:32:26 GMT -6
I am with the camp who argues doing 7 on 7 at least allows us more reps with our kids. Especially coming into a new program it helps drastically to be able to interact and work with our kids in a semi-competitive situation. In Indiana we also do 11 on 11 work during the summer, which works even better for us.
The thing that drives me nuts about 7 on 7 is when teams use cards. Just put in your pass concepts and ask your kids to execute. The use of cards and in between play dialogue from the coach takes too much of the game away from the kids in my opinion. I could care less if we win a 7 on 7 but I hope like heck that we can atleast make individual and team improvements with the addition of these reps.
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Post by GregH on Jul 11, 2011 12:16:29 GMT -6
Why would it drive you nuts if the opposing coach uses cards? Maybe he is doing it because he is playing some kids at new positions or any other variety of reasons. It seems like all the coaches who maintain they could care less if they win at 7 on 7 spend a lot of time knocking other coaches for things like this.
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Post by hsrose on Jul 11, 2011 12:49:43 GMT -6
We're going to a JV 7-7 competition this Thursday. Thought you might want to see the rules. I like rules 11 & 12, but #13 is the best one. There is no fee for this.
The 2 passing competitions we've done so far have been good, everybody is running their stuff straight up. But again, it's JV, not varsity.
Rules:
1. Players wear helmets and mouthpieces.
2. 1 touch = tackle
3. 20 minute halves; 5 min halftime; shake hands at end of games.
4. Coaches keep time.
5. Coaches call sack on their own QB after 4.5 seconds.
6. Coaches spot ball; please play hashes and side of field according to tackles.
7. Ball starts on +40; 4 downs to get 20 for first down; 4 more to score.
8. If teams do not get first down; ball is turned over. Play it like a game.
9. Interceptions result in change of possession.
10. On Pass Interference, ball is placed at spot of the foul and down is replayed.
11. No score is kept.
12. Please run your stuff; no passing tourney trophies will be given.
13. Coaches meet for refreshments at Mexico Lindo after tournament.
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Post by bluboy on Jul 11, 2011 15:32:45 GMT -6
Let me start by saying that 7on7 is good for defense IF the defense plays the coverages they normally play. I've been in 7on7 leagues where the defense simply plays 7 DB's and plays 2-deep man. I won't get into the offense's running pass schemes that they would never, ever run in a real game.
We have not gone to any 7on7 tournaments for about three years; it's been one of the best things we have done. What we have done instead is get together with another school(one whom we have a good relationship with the coaches) and do a 7on7. We have run it a couple of different ways. Sometimes its simply Team A has the ball for 20 plays, then Team B gets the ball; sometimes it's run like a 1/2 line drill. It's more like a practice than a game. We stop play and have the offense or defense line-up and walk through a route or explain who was covering whom. No officials, no T-shirts, no trophies, no keeping score, no brawls, no angry coaches. We want it to be a teaching/learning experience. We like it.
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Post by Defcord on Jul 11, 2011 20:50:42 GMT -6
Why would it drive you nuts if the opposing coach uses cards? Maybe he is doing it because he is playing some kids at new positions or any other variety of reasons. It seems like all the coaches who maintain they could care less if they win at 7 on 7 spend a lot of time knocking other coaches for things like this. First you make a good point on the fact that if I don't care about winning why I would care if the other team uses cards. Just bugs me I guess. Irrational probably on my end. Second I don't mind if coaches use cards as a teaching tool. I would just rather it be about the kids learning their system and many of the guys we have went against that have used cards have used plays they do not run otherwise and take the time between plays describe routes they will never really run in a game. |
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Post by John Knight on Jul 12, 2011 5:59:12 GMT -6
7on7.rivals.com/content.asp?SID=1117&CID=770171G. Responsibility to avoid contact is with the defense. There will be NO chucking. Deliberate bumping or grabbing. These actions will result in a "tack on" penalty at the end of the play (5 yard penalty)
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Post by Chris Clement on Jul 12, 2011 10:44:12 GMT -6
No bumping? what the hell is the point? I'm so glad we don't hve 7 on 7 here. We just schedule a couple of straight-up exhibition games with other teams, play fairly soft rules (coaches can follow the team and be in the huddle, just so long as you don't take forever, a lot of "warning" penalties)
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Post by lochness on Jul 12, 2011 10:46:03 GMT -6
I am with the camp who argues doing 7 on 7 at least allows us more reps with our kids. Especially coming into a new program it helps drastically to be able to interact and work with our kids in a semi-competitive situation. In Indiana we also do 11 on 11 work during the summer, which works even better for us. The thing that drives me nuts about 7 on 7 is when teams use cards. Just put in your pass concepts and ask your kids to execute. The use of cards and in between play dialogue from the coach takes too much of the game away from the kids in my opinion. I could care less if we win a 7 on 7 but I hope like heck that we can atleast make individual and team improvements with the addition of these reps. We use cards all the time because we're using 7-on-7 as a teaching opportunity, not as a competitive game. It's no different then when the defensive coach asks us to line up in a static formation so he can correct an alignment or assignment of his players. "Taking time away from the kids" is useful if it's teaching time, which cards allow for in an efficient and visual manner. Otherwise, if you're just firing through reps at rapid pace and the kids are doing it wrong, THAT's worse than wasted time, becuase they're developing bad habits. |
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Post by Defcord on Jul 12, 2011 12:31:24 GMT -6
I am with the camp who argues doing 7 on 7 at least allows us more reps with our kids. Especially coming into a new program it helps drastically to be able to interact and work with our kids in a semi-competitive situation. In Indiana we also do 11 on 11 work during the summer, which works even better for us. The thing that drives me nuts about 7 on 7 is when teams use cards. Just put in your pass concepts and ask your kids to execute. The use of cards and in between play dialogue from the coach takes too much of the game away from the kids in my opinion. I could care less if we win a 7 on 7 but I hope like heck that we can atleast make individual and team improvements with the addition of these reps. We use cards all the time because we're using 7-on-7 as a teaching opportunity, not as a competitive game. It's no different then when the defensive coach asks us to line up in a static formation so he can correct an alignment or assignment of his players. "Taking time away from the kids" is useful if it's teaching time, which cards allow for in an efficient and visual manner. Otherwise, if you're just firing through reps at rapid pace and the kids are doing it wrong, THAT's worse than wasted time, becuase they're developing bad habits. I agree 100% they can be useful. I have officially changed my stance! (All serious here too) |
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Post by coachk98 on Jul 13, 2011 5:14:00 GMT -6
I have been doing summer 7 on 7 for the past 18 years. This is the 1st summer I have NOT.
Why ?
I'm at a small school that share athletes, each & every summer I battle with Baseball & Lacrosse to the point I think players are not coming out because of my badgering to prepare for the upcoming football season rather than a sport that has just completed their season.
Last year we attended the Rutgers Shoot out, A month before I asked said players to reserve the date in June. We had the good fortune of playing our games in the stadium, But we show up with 8 players 2 of which were going to be starters......Got a doubleheader........Lax camp starts Friday.
"Hey Coach, we going to Rutgers this Year ? "
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 19, 2011 21:49:30 GMT -6
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Post by sandstorm on Jul 19, 2011 23:49:17 GMT -6
I suspect if a HS coach in Texas did NOT have a summer 7-on-7 schedule, it would be grounds for serious criticism if not dismissal. That is seriously the truth... |
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Post by coachmacplains on Jul 20, 2011 7:34:40 GMT -6
Just had our first 7/7 yesterday. Fortunately none of my players will be getting picked up for any AAU 7/7 all star game. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by coachmoore42 on Jul 20, 2011 17:25:54 GMT -6
I love it and hate it at the same time.
I love that the QB's and Receivers get rep after rep on the same routes. I hate that they can't get a realistic look because there is little to no respect for the run fits. I love the DBs getting to work on drops and ball skills. I hate that there is no pass rush for them to get a realstic idea of the pass timing.
Overall, I like that we do it, but it can be very misleading.
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