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Post by gapshoot76 on Jun 9, 2011 7:47:45 GMT -6
What do you do when the makers of the rules are violating the rules themselves? The NCAA has been in violation of the Sherman Anti-Trust Laws since the very beginning, and have spent millions of dollars to get court decisions made in their favor. They are just as corrupt as anyone else. I'm with CoachBDud on this one. The players deserve a percentage of the income they generate. We have a touchdown club at our high school that generates revenue for our sports boosters. Plus, we take money at the gate every home game, and if and when we make the playoffs, the IHSA takes their cut out of the gates too... So, really we as a high school are generating revenue from our football team, along with the IHSA... Now i know we are talking about chump change here compared to what they make at the NCAA level but lets just think about this. Running back A, and Quarterback A both had 3 TD's in a game. Thats 6 TD's Our Touchdown club says that the members donate money for each TD scored, lets just say that was $1, and we had 100 members. Those 2 players just raised $600 for our booster club. By the thinking above... then I guess we should be paying our HS athletes a cut of that $600 for scoring TD's to raise money for our programs too right? We are all losing the big picture here. These kids are getting the opportunity for a great education for FREE if they are a scholarship athlete. It is their own personal choice what they do with that education. The athletes we are having this discussion about are the 1 percenter's, the ones that KNOW they are good, and know they have millions coming. All they care about is the pot at the end of the rainbow. These are the kids that as high school coaches, and parents of these kids need to teach the rights and wrongs to. I honestly haven't coached one of these kids yet, and I hope I do someday, but how you teach a kid like that to be humble, thats the million dollar question for a coach!
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Post by jpdaley25 on Jun 10, 2011 17:18:05 GMT -6
I agree that rules should be followed. But, if a rule is unfair or unjust, it should be challenged, debated, and changed - I think that process is happening now, although slowly. The fact that every school in the NCAA is guilty, to some degree, shows the need for change.
At the high school level, at all the high schools I've worked at, every dollar earned is spent on the players and the program already. None of it goes to an individual. At big programs I'm sure it's a little different, but high schools, at least public high schools, are non-profit organizations - unlike colleges.
I've been at a few programs as an assistant coach that had D1 players. Those head coaches were experts at keeping the stars humble and hard working. If I ever have one, I'm going to follow suit.
The following are some of the most compelling arguments in favor of paying college football players.
1. ADMIT THAT COLLEGE FOOTBALL IS A MULTIBILLION-DOLLAR BUSINESS
ESPN's Rod Gilmore, who can be found covering college games during the season, says, "It's time to end the charade of amateurism in college football and let the athletes share in the spoils."
Gilmore makes an excellent point when he says, "At one time college football was consistent with the mission of a university to educate and provide for the well-being of the student body, but it is no longer very different from the NFL."
He continues, "Like the NFL, the money college football earns comes from television, marketing, media rights, and luxury box/suite income.
Richard Roeper, of the Chicago Sun Times , concurs. He claims that, "Everyone knows that major college ball is minor-league pro ball."
Roeper asks, "How is it that universities and coaches continue to make millions off the efforts of 'amateur' athletes who could get suspended for accepting a few bucks on the side?"
2. FAIRNESS
HBO and Sports Illustrated's Frank Deford writes, "In all fairness, college athletes should be paid."
Deford feels its unconscionable that big-time college football players go unpaid. "They are employees, and deserve to be paid based on the National Labor Relations Act."
Deford makes another great point. He writes, "All Olympic athletes had to live by the 'amateur ideal.' But all that has changed. The only athletes who are not paid are our college football and basketball players—whose numbers, ironically, include so many poor African-Americans."
3. COLLEGE FOOTBALL IS NOT FOR FUN
Michelle Hill, of the Sports Networker contends, "Who says college sports is for the fun of it? It’s a multi-billion dollar business and players should be compensated for their time…heck, everyone else is. Schools get paid. Coaches get paid. Team medical staff."
Players of today are under more scrutiny than ever before. The media, and the fans, can be ruthless in their attacks on players, who average 20 years in age.
Scholarships are removed as fast as they're offered.
4. PLAYERS PRODUCE REVENUES FOR TV, SHOE COMPANIES, AND CONFERENCES
The Illinois Business Law Journal writes, "Athletes are producing revenues not only for the schools, but also for shoe companies, television networks, and the conferences in which they belong."
Kelly Whiteside, of USA Today, agrees. "The NCAA averages better than half a billion dollars a year in revenue. This does not include payouts from 28 football bowls, which exceed $184 million and goes to the conferences."
She wonders, "Why aren't athletes in revenue-generating sports such as men's basketball and college football paid?"
5. ATHLETES WILL STAY IN SCHOOL LONGER
With pay, athletes will have the option to stay in school longer and finish their degrees.
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Post by coachcb on Jun 10, 2011 17:46:40 GMT -6
Average INSTATE cost (tuition, fees, etc) of a state university: $9,000.00.
Instate player red shirts, gets 5 years of paid cost so he receives $45,000.00
Say he's a STUD and starts 45 games. He made $1,000.00 per game.
And, lets not forget that this is an estimate based off of instate tuition, these kids also get cost of living stipends AND a free college education. They live for free, eat for free, get a degree because they GET to play football. And I really emphasize the last part; they have the opportunity and privilege to keep playing this game. So, don't ask me to feel bad for any of these kids.
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Post by pvogel on Jun 10, 2011 18:05:57 GMT -6
great thread.
and im against the straight-up payment of the players. A college education is plenty of payment. There are a ton of professors that completely oppose even giving scholarships! Now we just need to stop giving out too many fee waivers and accepting too many people to college and it's mean even more. But thats another topic and a real political one so its best not to go there. College is a personal investment. Big time college athletics is the same.
but those that do endorse the payment of players- how much will they get paid? what will it be based on? position? skill? touchdowns? wins? are all schools going to have different amounts or will there be a cap? will there be revenue sharing or will the big universities have an even bigger edge over recruiting because they can pay players more? do field hockey, golf, or tennis players get paid?
I love college football. And i have been a Texas football fan since I was a little kid. Allowing the universities to pay the players would make Texas an absolute powerhouse (no other program generates that much $). Yet I am still strongly opposed to this concept as it would ruin competitive college football as we know it. It would be just like the days before scholarship limits where the Texas', Alabamas, Michigans, and Florida states of the world would merely outbid the Boise States, Northern Illinois', and Hawaiis of the world. It would resemble the MLB and the NBA but much, much worse. The recruiting world is a darn circus now! it would be an absolute nightmare if monetary bidding was involved (more than it is evident that it already is...)
i see it only leading to much worse problems than we already have now.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 10, 2011 18:07:09 GMT -6
jpdaley and pvogel---Huey has locked and deleted several threads of that ilk. He has made it clear he does not want the pay the players debate hashed here.
Pvogel--perhaps starting a thread on your blog could service the discussion
On topic--what did your mentor coach do to prevent this athletic injury to Character.
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Post by pvogel on Jun 10, 2011 22:03:50 GMT -6
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Post by coachcb on Jun 11, 2011 12:16:56 GMT -6
Let's not forget the recruiting process in this whole ordeal. IMO, many college programs focus solely on the kid's athletic ability and ignore a lot of red flags such as low grades, low ACT/SAT scores, disciplinary issues, etc.. I know that college football is big business today but there's an issue if you're giving a full-ride scholarship to a kid who had to take the ACTs five times to meet the minimum required score.
Hell, just take a look at these kids' Facebook pages and tell me you want to invest the program's time and money in them.
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