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Post by coachd5085 on Apr 22, 2011 12:16:13 GMT -6
How "open" is the competition in your state? A couple of the recent threads discussing disparity in coaching led me to think about the real lack of diversity here in Louisiana HS football.
Just a very quick review of the last 5 seasons (post Katrina)of the top class (5A) shows that out of 80 possible 2nd round play off slots (5 years, 16 slots a year) only 32 different teams were involved. Basically, it seems like Louisiana HS football consists of the usual suspects, and not much else.
Curious to see how others feel their states competition levels are.
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Post by coachd5085 on Apr 22, 2011 13:18:13 GMT -6
How "open" is the competition in your state? A couple of the recent threads discussing disparity in coaching led me to think about the real lack of diversity here in Louisiana HS football. Just a very quick review of the last 5 seasons (post Katrina)of the top class (5A) shows that out of 80 possible 2nd round play off slots (5 years, 16 slots a year) only 32 different teams were involved. Basically, it seems like Louisiana HS football consists of the usual suspects, and not much else. Curious to see how others feel their states competition levels are. After a littler more data mining In the TOP class in Louisiana (which is generally considered one of the most "wide open" Over the last 8 years : 128 2nd round playoff slots--41 different teams 64 quarter final playoff slots--27 different teams 32 semi final playoff slots--14 different teams 16 finals slots--7 different teams. |
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Post by fantom on Apr 22, 2011 13:47:40 GMT -6
I looked at the two highest classifications over the last ten years. www.vhsl.org/files/fb-pastchampions-1970-present.pdfThe 40 berths in the semis over that ten year period were filled by 19 different teams in the top classification and 22 in the second highest. Oops, make that 23. Forgot to count us. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Apr 22, 2011 13:54:59 GMT -6
so that is similar. I know here in LA there are a few other factors such as redistricting, a rule change regarding classification, and the storm that probably inflate the numbers a bit and make it look more diverse than it really is.
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Post by shamespiral on Apr 22, 2011 14:01:51 GMT -6
Well... One reason it's not very 'open' in La is because there aren't very many teams.... 32 spots with roughly 55 or so schools in each class...
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Post by pvogel on Apr 22, 2011 14:03:34 GMT -6
california doesnt even have a state championship playoff... participants of the "state championship games" are voted on... you think the bcs is controversial...
no team from the central valley has ever played in one of the state championship games.
But in the southern sections (LA and SD) the private schools run things in their divisions. And Oceanside has won 7 straight san diego section titles for their division. their opponents change, but they keep winning. darn good program. All in all, SD has pretty good parity.
LA's isnt too good from what I see.
Havent followed central valley football long enough to make a good assessment. doesnt look too good tho.
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Post by coachd5085 on Apr 22, 2011 14:22:39 GMT -6
Well... One reason it's not very 'open' in La is because there aren't very many teams.... 32 spots with roughly 55 or so schools in each class... Actually, that should make it more "open", given that more than 50% of each class makes the playoffs. However, the brief overview shows that even though such a high percentage of each class get in, it quickly sorts itself out and the same teams advance each year. |
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Post by shamespiral on Apr 22, 2011 17:19:42 GMT -6
That's because the qualtiy of football in LA is horrible... So those few that have high quality athletes AND somewhat descent coaching win all the time. That's why it's the same old same old in the quarters every year in every classification.
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Post by fantom on Apr 22, 2011 21:45:02 GMT -6
I looked at the two highest classifications over the last ten years. www.vhsl.org/files/fb-pastchampions-1970-present.pdfThe 40 berths in the semis over that ten year period were filled by 19 different teams in the top classification and 22 in the second highest. Oops, make that 23. Forgot to count us. What's interesting is that these schools have little in common. They are all public schools since private schools are completely separate in Virginia. Other than that there are a lof of different types of schools. Here's a perfect example. We've played the same school-Stone Bridge HS in Loudon County-for four years in a row in either the finals or semis. We couldn't be more dissimilar. They're one of the largest schools in the classification. We're one of the smallest. They're in the richest county in the US. We're not. They're a relatively new school and have great facilities. We're not very new and our facilities are OK but not outstanding. You can make comparisons like that all through the list of "perenniel powers" so there are no easy answers to the question of why so many schools keep going back to the semis. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Apr 22, 2011 23:10:17 GMT -6
I looked at the two highest classifications over the last ten years. www.vhsl.org/files/fb-pastchampions-1970-present.pdfThe 40 berths in the semis over that ten year period were filled by 19 different teams in the top classification and 22 in the second highest. Oops, make that 23. Forgot to count us. What's interesting is that these schools have little in common. They are all public schools since private schools are completely separate in Virginia. Other than that there are a lof of different types of schools. Here's a perfect example. We've played the same school-Stone Bridge HS in Loudon County-for four years in a row in either the finals or semis. We couldn't be more dissimilar. They're one of the largest schools in the classification. We're one of the smallest. They're in the richest county in the US. We're not. They're a relatively new school and have great facilities. We're not very new and our facilities are OK but not outstanding. You can make comparisons like that all through the list of "perenniel powers" so there are no easy answers to the question of why so many schools keep going back to the semis. Fantom--I would bet they all have at least ONE feature in common. Someone in some position of authority (be it head football coach, AD, principal, school board member or community) has placed an importance on football. This importance is passed on to the student athletes, and it manifests itself in offseason workouts, dedication, enthusiam etc. All programs would like to win. Some programs want to win, but fewer programs feel it is IMPORTANT to win, and do what is necessary. |
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Post by coach16 on Apr 23, 2011 17:34:28 GMT -6
Must have a person w/a vision for athletics in charge of school!
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Post by 3rdandlong on Apr 23, 2011 17:56:35 GMT -6
Pvogel,
That is a very valid point. How about the fact that the Northern Section has been beating the Southern Section when the Northern Section has a one week rest after their CIF Championship game and the Southern Section immediately has to prepare for the state championship game after their CIF Championship game.
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Post by pvogel on Apr 23, 2011 19:57:02 GMT -6
Pvogel, That is a very valid point. How about the fact that the Northern Section has been beating the Southern Section when the Northern Section has a one week rest after their CIF Championship game and the Southern Section immediately has to prepare for the state championship game after their CIF Championship game. while the south still has a 13-8 record over the north in the bowls, i agree that this does hurt the southern section. All the sections in california have different dates for their championship game. its ridiculous and makes no sense. drives me nuts how poorly this state is ran and it even affects sports. unbelievable. theres no state playoff AND the season ends the week of christmas??? unbelievable. |
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