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Post by airman on Dec 12, 2005 20:14:14 GMT -6
Okay, technology has come along way. I realize I am still far behind alot of guys when it comes to this.
so here goes, i was thinking about purchasing a dvd recorder but I am not sure about it.
is it just like a vcr recorder? how long to dvds last interms of time? like a vhs tape lasts 2,4,6,8 or 10 hrs depending on the tape and the recording speed.
what I would like to do it, take my vhs tapes and put them on dvd and then put any new tapes liek the ones I get from the fcpga on dvd.
here is my next question, say I want to trade, how to I take the dvd and copy it to another dvd? do I need a different machine to do that as well?
I am used to just hooking up two vcrs, then a few years ago I got a dual deck vcr to use. so you can see maybe I am a little behind the times.
still I am willing to learn, if some one can explain this to me.
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Post by tog on Dec 12, 2005 20:19:08 GMT -6
good question airman
i would like to hear about this as well
brophy? i know you are dvd competent
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Post by fish on Dec 12, 2005 22:06:08 GMT -6
we burn dvds all the time. film on a digital camcorder and save it to your computer. then use a dvd burner to burn your dvds. we use them mostly for the kids to make cut ups of the opponent and such. i always think about when the day will come when we are trading dvds for game film instead of tape. how long before that becomes commonplace?
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Post by throwtherock on Dec 12, 2005 22:18:13 GMT -6
If you have a DVD recorder, you can simply hook up a DVD player to it and make a dupe. Just like VCR's.
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Post by Yash on Dec 12, 2005 22:20:01 GMT -6
Well if you tape your games on a camera that uses digital technology you can put that onto dvd really easily. You just need to put the film on the computer and then burn it onto a dvd. If you asked the kids you coach, I'm sure one of them could show you how to do it. as for the dvr I'm not sure how those work as for copying from VHS to DVD and that buisness.
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Post by tog on Dec 13, 2005 6:19:57 GMT -6
colleges already just send game "tape" on email
that would cut down on those early morning meetings halfway between for some people to trade tapes
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Post by coachjd on Dec 13, 2005 6:37:29 GMT -6
Our conference is looking into swapping DVD's next fall for film exchange. All 8 of our schools use mini dv digital cameras. It's just a matter of loading the games onto the computer and burning it to the dvd. 5 of the 8 schools already had dvd burners on their computers.
From what I have read the dvd burner on your computer will burn discs faster than the DVR. When you use a DVR it takes the length of the game to create the dvd.
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Post by bowne on Dec 13, 2005 6:49:00 GMT -6
I have a combo VCR/DVD machine. I put in the tape and make a DVD or visa versa. I also have a copy machine that dupes my DVDs rapidly. You can use your computer to cut up tapes or the old way, VHS double deck.
Funny to hear me talking about this. When I started coaching a blackboard and white chalk was common then we went to greenboards and yellow chalk.
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Post by fish on Dec 13, 2005 9:24:51 GMT -6
colleges already just send game "tape" on email that would cut down on those early morning meetings halfway between for some people to trade tapes the only problem i see with that is crap copies of games. we've held tapes from teams until we watched theirs. i guess you do the same with email and not send it. i answered my own problem. carry on. |
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Post by brophy on Dec 13, 2005 9:44:46 GMT -6
DVD burning is great! You don't run into the generation deterioration that you do with the VHS stuff.
We burned a lot of of our old VHS stuff to DVDs.
The real problem can come with COPYPROTECTED stuff (VHS/DVD) that you buy or are given that will NOT record on a DVD recorder (or VCR). You have to get software for your CPU burner (around $50) to copy protected materials. It's an 'art' not a science.....
DVD-R is one of the BEST investments we've made for the program.
REALLY helps in cutting up / highlighting / converting to DV / archiving / and most importantly evaluating....
DVD-R recording is just like recording on a VCR (connections) although if you add the S-video component (cable) you get a much nicer picture.
Also. if you look to purchase a DV camera....for a school budget you get the same bang for little buck with a DV-8 camera. The quality is comparable (especially if you use a firewire straight to the recorder) and the difference would only show up if you're using it on a big 62" big screen.
Another thing, I'll pass on...is the format of the DVD.
We painted ourselves in a corner by purchasing 50 DVD-R before the season....those DVD(-)R only played on our high-end Sony DVD players, but wouldn't work on anyone else's.....the DVD(+)R discs are what are most compatible.
Many programs are intimidated by purchasing a computer (price / technology) and feel more comfortable buying a stand-alone DVD burner (around $300) that works just like their VCR. Most of the coaches that I know that use DV, use their personal home computer. THAT would be the best way to go - but I realize not everyone is comfortable with that.
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Post by ogie4 on Dec 13, 2005 13:04:34 GMT -6
This kind of goes with the where is the game going to be in the next 20 years thread. I noticed at coaching school that companies are forming to create servers that an entire conference, district, state can join and log into to swap games files. Perhaps the days of dubbing tapes, DVD's, 8mm (for you older fellas) and meeting to trade will be over and we will just log into a common server and download them from our office computers. In areas that travel hundreds of miles to play teams, this is going to be a must have if it is affordable.
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Post by tog on Dec 13, 2005 13:06:52 GMT -6
you know how many gigs a game tape is??
maybe they could just be put on a free file server?
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Post by brophy on Dec 13, 2005 13:12:39 GMT -6
I dunno...the ones I've seen are about 24 Gb. for a game.
But I have seen off site hosts that support DV game film exchange.
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Post by coachjd on Dec 13, 2005 13:12:53 GMT -6
each one of our game tapes is around 10-12 gigs.
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Post by ogie4 on Dec 13, 2005 13:16:56 GMT -6
you know how many gigs a game tape is?? maybe they could just be put on a free file server? Your right, I think that is why it is not a popular option right now, but in the future when technology gets better I bet it will be the norm. The Free file server is a good idea....maybe your onto something, all I know is the guy that invented the blocking sled has to be a milllionaire, maybe this is our ticket Tog? "Togie Coaching Solutions"  ?? I can already see the promo room at coaching school and the tubs of iced down beer to help us sell our product. |
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Post by brophy on Dec 13, 2005 13:42:05 GMT -6
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Post by tog on Dec 13, 2005 14:50:50 GMT -6
THE TOGIE SYSTEM
If it is free, how would we make money on it?
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Post by ogie4 on Dec 13, 2005 15:03:41 GMT -6
THE TOGIE SYSTEM If it is free, how would we make money on it? tech support and Con(ing)-(in)sulting jobs. Its the future man. |
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Post by tog on Dec 13, 2005 15:06:01 GMT -6
rather just be a coach
if i wanted to be rich, i would still be a lawyer
but one of the reasons i didn't stay a lawyer was the morals of it
i was too honest
so conning and insulting would not be my strongsuits
I will take a small check once a month for the idea though?
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Post by Mav on Dec 13, 2005 15:51:58 GMT -6
A quick word of caution about going to dvds. The dvd format/codec (mpeg-2) was originally established by the movie studios. The technology was designed to watch a movie from start to finish. Going back and forth at various speeds (like us coaches need to do) was not a consideration. So the quality of the video in slow motion and/or reverse is usually poor/blotchy -- much worse than a good vcr. It all dependant on the player you have.
Our league has half the teams exchanging dvds and half using vhs. We load both to our computers disk and view it from there after we discovered this issue. dvd format is great for storage but not so good for film analysis/breakdown.
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Post by brophy on Dec 14, 2005 7:05:43 GMT -6
One other advantage of DVDs worth mentioning.....
the ZOOM feature.
.....we haven't always had the best vantage in the film, so when grading, I've used the ZOOM function to figure out who and what was going on (from a far far away view).
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Post by Mav on Dec 14, 2005 8:19:25 GMT -6
Add'l info on trading film -- over the last couple of years there has been more and more college conferences exchanging game films digitally using the internet and a central file server. Check out these sites -- www.gamefilmsolutions.com/default.aspxwww.gametapeexchange.com/In reality, it will only work if every team in your league/conference agrees to use the same service. Larger colleges are going to this fairly quickly because they dedicated, highly technical Video Coordinators. It'll take awhile to get to the high school level. Digital editing and storage is step one for HS, then exchanging digital game files will be a natural extension. Alos, along with the actual video file itself, you may exchange other corresponding data such as down, distance,, LOS, etc, Whatever you agree to exchange with your opponent. It'll save a lot of redundant work. |
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Post by aznando on Dec 15, 2005 10:33:11 GMT -6
A quick word of caution about going to dvds. The dvd format/codec (mpeg-2) was originally established by the movie studios. The technology was designed to watch a movie from start to finish. Going back and forth at various speeds (like us coaches need to do) was not a consideration. So the quality of the video in slow motion and/or reverse is usually poor/blotchy -- much worse than a good vcr. It all dependant on the player you have. Our league has half the teams exchanging dvds and half using vhs. We load both to our computers disk and view it from there after we discovered this issue. dvd format is great for storage but not so good for film analysis/breakdown. This is a concern I've had using DVD's. All of my game film is in VHS and i'm used to rewinding and FFW alot. With DVD's i'm just not good at doing that with a regular DVD player. And like you said, the quality diminishes somewhat. Does anybody have a suggestion of a good DVD Player/Recorder that has a good rewind/FFW Slow Mo remote? Aznando |
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Post by utepminerfan on Dec 15, 2005 16:04:15 GMT -6
Do any of you save a copy of your games on your hard drive?
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Post by Mav on Dec 15, 2005 20:03:30 GMT -6
If you're using your computers dvd hardware the only dvd software/player that will smoothly go back and forth and various speeds with perfect clarity is WinDVD 6.0 and beyond -(I think they're up to 7.0 now) by Intervideo. Last summer I treid all of the major computer software players and this was the only that was clear. We use our laptop as our player so it works for us. BTW - I emailed Intervideo asking if their software was in any standalone DVD players(hardware) and they said not yet, so it's probably hit or miss.
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?? I can already see the promo room at coaching school and the tubs of iced down beer to help us sell our product.
