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Post by ogie4 on Jan 19, 2006 15:38:52 GMT -6
We have discussed the value of working with other sports like BB, Baseball, Wrestling, hockey, etc.
But how do you practice this and maintain harmony?
Specific areas of potential conflict are:
Off-season programs? How do you design it?
Sharing facilities?
Sharing Coaches?
Training and participation when one is in season and another is not?
Communication issues between the coaches in differing sports?
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Post by tog on Jan 19, 2006 16:18:35 GMT -6
the easiest solution I think is to have year round strength and conditioning for ALL athletes
then adjust it for the kids that are in season so their legs aren't burned out for games
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Post by amikell on Jan 21, 2006 16:59:12 GMT -6
it also helps not to have an AD who's the B-Ball coach and tells his players that they need to use the fall to focus on b-ball and don't stand much of a chance of making the team if they don't go to open gym on monday and wedneday nights. of course it also helps if the football coach doesn't flat out ban his players from attending those same open gyms. (my mistake)
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Post by amikell on Jan 21, 2006 17:03:08 GMT -6
on a serious note, I agree w/ tog about the weights even if it means sacrificing some practice time. I also think you should encourage students to play a sport each season. As for coaching other sports, I'm all for it. I'd coach 3 seasons if we offered a winter sport I knew anything about. Then again I'm coach lacrosse, and I know squat about it. I think, as a teacher/coach, it helps you build a connection w/ the kids. Helps them learn to trust you and vice versa.
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Post by tog on Jan 21, 2006 17:16:01 GMT -6
it also helps not to have an AD who's the B-Ball coach and tells his players that they need to use the fall to focus on b-ball and don't stand much of a chance of making the team if they don't go to open gym on monday and wedneday nights. of course it also helps if the football coach doesn't flat out ban his players from attending those same open gyms. (my mistake) |
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Post by amikell on Jan 21, 2006 17:23:01 GMT -6
you're right tog, but I need to learn to deal with it. we had three b-ball players quit this year. 1 flat out said that he wanted to focus on b-ball, and since I didn't allow them to go to the weds gym, that hurt him. the other two basically followed him. we don't have the luxury of have a lot of players, so I am changing the policy. We need as many people out as possible. should I have to change my policy? no, but we don't live in an ideal world.  we must be like otto von bismark and practice "real politik." |
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Post by hoptions on Jan 22, 2006 0:03:27 GMT -6
I feel the pain coaches
We are having an issue with our basketball and wrestling coaches telling the kids not to lift during that season. And our lifting class is losing kids because the old head football coach has no vested interest anymore.
we also try to encourage the kids to play three sports if possible, but somebody tell me why we should send kids to basketball and wrestling if they won't be allowed to lift during those sports!
All the strength the kids gain in the spring, summer and fall is lost in the winter because of it…seems like we have to start over every year for football!
Anyone have any ideas...
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Post by seagull73 on Jan 22, 2006 6:56:58 GMT -6
I have kids who run track to get faster for football but I believe I can get them faster and stronger a whole lot better. I don't want to push a kid either way. I believe there are too many 1 sport kids out there. If a kid want to run track because he loves track I say good luck and go for it, if it is to get ready for football I say get in the weight room.
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Post by smd on Jan 22, 2006 7:11:34 GMT -6
if the administration isn't on board with you and want a year round strength and conditioning program ... you ain't going to have it. you have to do the best you can with what you got.
just get them in the weight room when their season is over.
for us our struggle is with basketball (seems to be a common problem).
our other sports (coached by football coaches) lift during their seasons just like during football.
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Post by toramsfan on Jan 22, 2006 7:16:22 GMT -6
We have problems with kids who play hockey during the season, their coaches tell them they shouldn't be playing football even though the hockey programs are community-based & far more expensive to take part in (approx. $2000/yr or more). They miss practices for tournaments & sometimes camps as well. Such is life in Canada...  School programs usually aren't a problem, some kids gravitate to hoops becuase they just like it better & they don't get hit LOL...our players are encouraged to play rugby in the spring because of the similarities of the 2 games, but also because of the conditioning rugby provides. Others run track or play baseball. We don't have spring football so there's no interference. |
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Post by coachjd on Jan 22, 2006 7:17:04 GMT -6
you hit the nail on the head smd!!! If the admin and AD are not supportive of the coaches putting in a year around strength program for ALL athletes then you will have coaches who do not take time away from practice to lift, and tell kids not to lift and etc....
IMO, any coach who is not using some form of strength training with kids is hurting the kids, the program. There is enough information out there showing that strength training will improve performance, will help with injury prevention, will assist in building self confidence, work ethic, etc....
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Post by toramsfan on Jan 22, 2006 7:18:15 GMT -6
We have problems with kids who play hockey during the season, their coaches tell them they shouldn't be playing football even though the hockey programs are community-based & far more expensive to take part in (approx. $2000/yr or more). They miss practices for tournaments & sometimes camps as well. Such is life in Canada... School programs usually aren't a problem, some kids gravitate to hoops becuase they just like it better & they don't get hit LOL...our players are encouraged to play rugby in the spring because of the similarities of the 2 games, but also because of the conditioning rugby provides. Others run track or play baseball. We don't have spring football so there's no interference. |
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Post by toprowguy on Jan 22, 2006 8:00:03 GMT -6
I think every school has these problems.
In seems to be the going trend that everyone wants to be a baskettball start but the truth is not many of will be.
Our basketball players get their lifting in before basketball practice three days a week.
Our wrestlers lift during the their season as part of their training.
Our winter track kids lift after practice a few days a week.
So the winter isn't a problem but the spring is.
Our baseball coach demands that his players workout with him during the winter which is fine with us aslong as they are working out but during the season they are not allowed to workout during the season so they loss everything.
Our lacrosse kids are working out during the winter and during their season twice a week.
Our track weight (OL/DL) kids get their lift in before practice or after practice because our OL coach is their coach. But he runner are not encouraged to lift during their season so they don't.
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Post by Split50 on Jan 22, 2006 11:52:19 GMT -6
I guess I am fortunate. The AD/head football coach I work for makes all sports lift at least two days a week, year around. They may adjust the lifting during their season, but THEY WILL LIFT. That is not debatable. We have a strength and conditioning program, not an offseason/inseason weightlifting program. I think that makes a difference. Never refer to the program as inseason/offseason, it is year around strength and conditioning.
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Post by Split50 on Jan 22, 2006 11:58:13 GMT -6
ogie4, back to your original question. It is tough sometimes, especially in the smaller schools. We encourage our kids to participate in everything and then require the coaches to work with each other for the benefit of those kids. We have to share athletes. We try to set up a workout schedule that allows kids to do more than one thing, especially in the spring. Not all sports will start practice at the same time. Some a kid may only be able to practice one of his sports. Some days a coach may have to stay later to work with one or two kids. That is the way it has to be, or every sport will lose kids that can help them.
The coaches aren't always real happy with the arrangements, but tough.
I used to be head baseball coach. Since we had lights on the field, we always started practice at 5:30 so kids could go to track, tennis, golf, etc. first.
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Post by sls on Jan 22, 2006 16:10:49 GMT -6
I broke the thumb of my starting FB and our best wrestler in PE on the jugs machine the other day. He really did not care, the coach was pretty ticked off, good thing is that the wrestling coahc works for me as an assistant coach and can't afford to lose that money.
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Post by mcbolt16 on Jan 25, 2006 17:34:44 GMT -6
We lift two days a week at least year round. During the spring it is really difficult with so many sports going on. We have a staff meeting and discuss a plan of action. We get all the coaches involved and I have to remind them that it is about the kids not each individual sport. I am fortunate to have a great staff that really buys into this philosophy. I will admit that there are some days that there will be problems. Kids going from the track to baseball late or visa versa. But, usually it gets fixed pretty quick.
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Post by vind on Jan 26, 2006 8:24:41 GMT -6
I would encourage athletes to play other sports especially at the HS level. HS kids can really use the structure of an organized sport and at the very least they are staying in shape.
Wrestling can be tough when kids are asked to drop weight but they tend to build toughness and endurance. Your really big kids that struggle with their weight and their conditioning can benefit from this.
Track can be tough if the kids run anything over the 200m because that usually involves a lot of distance running which doesn’t help kids add weight which is something they are probably looking to do at that age. IMO sprinting, shot put, any jumping competition, are all really good for your players. One thing that track does not provide though is lateral movement training.
Basketball does provide the lateral movement training you want and a good coach should be having the players work on their upper body strength. Depending on the region you play basketball in this might change a bit but a team that is very physical underneath can be hard to beat. Just hope your coach isn’t all about finesse and outside shooting. Some coaches will sacrifice long term production instead of messing with a player’s upper body strength. This is kind of a hit or miss sport in my opinion.
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Post by coachjd on Jan 26, 2006 9:48:24 GMT -6
Our Friday track practices are the same workouts we use during the summer for our SAQ training. We do about 1 hour and 15 min. of speed drills, agility drills, plyometrics, and strength training. Kids favorite day of the week.
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Post by edwardslv on Jan 26, 2006 11:59:11 GMT -6
if otto von bismark can be quoted on here then so can gandhi.
"you must be the change you wish to see in the world."
i know i can easily get into a pissing contest just to show who has the upper hand, but that accomplishes nothing (other than a pissing contest victory . . . or maybe a loss). i thikn the best thing we can do is share and cooperate even when we get the short end of the stick. it will likely pay off in the end. after all, what's this about, getting kids out to play the game we know will teach them lessons for the rest of their lives? or proving to be supreme?
easier said than done, i know.
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Post by amikell on Jan 26, 2006 13:21:11 GMT -6
edwardslv, you're right about being the change we seek to see. that's why i blatantly opposed the decision to have our athetes focus on one sport and encourage the football players to play other sports. it only make sense. I just wish others could do the same. =( oh well, if philosophies don't mesh, then...
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Post by cookiemonster on Jan 27, 2006 7:30:52 GMT -6
Amikell you need to have the BBall kids playing 7on7 during basketball season and see if that will open his eyes.What kills me is how much time these other sports want from these kids.Baseball kids are playing way too many games.30+ for the school,20+ fall tournaments,and around 60 during summer. All these games are played with around 3 pitchers. And we wonder why kids are haveing surgery on their arms.
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Post by Boltar on Jan 27, 2006 10:52:46 GMT -6
I've coached FB, Wrestling, and Track individually and all in the same year. Sharing athletes has to be supported by the admin. Without it, every baseball player in the school is told he's going to be drafted or every football / basketball kid is going to get a scholarship.
As far as weightlifting goes, we basiaclly have a rule that says that if you're not in another sport, you need to be in our off season strength program. With that said, I'd much rather have a kid in wrestling, building his footwork, confidence, agility, and overall toughness than just lifting. Wrestling is much harder than football as far as conditioning goes, so you never have to worry about that. IMO, all of my lineman need to wrestle if possible!
Track depends on the coach. I've seen sprint coaches who really work the kids hard and others that don't. The thrower's coach is also an important guy. If your football kids are throwing, the need to be in the weight room, doing plyos, and general agility and conditioning drills to be competative. If they're not, they're wasting their time.
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Post by runtheball86 on Jan 27, 2006 19:23:21 GMT -6
Our line coach runs the out of season weight program and it is open to all players in all sports ... few others have bought into the benefits of strength training despite our best efforts.
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Post by jman on Jan 27, 2006 22:44:09 GMT -6
Reading these posts makes me feel spoiled. We have an athletic period just for Football. In fact, we moved to a zero hour before school starts so that we dont lose athletes to BBall in the winter or Baseball in the spring. We have our football kids every school day. We do encourage our guys to be two and three sport athletes but they know to play FB they better show up at 6:30 in the morning. We do tell them they do not have to lift on game day of their other sports but most of them still show anyway! Our strength program helps them all anyway.
It is nice to be in a community and school where football is the undisputed King(as well it should be).
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we must be like otto von bismark and practice "real politik."
