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Post by tog on Jan 19, 2006 16:45:07 GMT -6
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Post by con on Jan 21, 2006 9:33:39 GMT -6
how can anyone doubt his ability to go pro.
he move at a different speed then everyone
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Post by los on Jan 22, 2006 8:41:21 GMT -6
"how can anyone doubt his ability to go pro.
he move at a different speed then everyone" Don't forget M. Vick, he also moved at a different speed in college, but in the pro's everybody's fast on defense and trying to decapitate you! He's a great college player with a better chance than most to make it. Time will tell??
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Post by con on Jan 22, 2006 10:09:13 GMT -6
mike vick is not 6'5
vick is also pretty damn good
i'm sure alot of teams would love to work through his shortcomings.
young needs to raise his release but his height helps with that
he seems like a good kid also
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Post by spreadattack on Jan 22, 2006 10:42:09 GMT -6
I've heard lots of good stuff about the kid. Obviously he's a competitor. M. Vick never lead the NCAA in passing efficiency, though sitting this kid for a season like Carson Palmer/McNair is probably a good move. If nothing else, one of the other problems with throwing a kid out in the NFL before he is ready is he takes a lot of shots, particularly someone as good of a scrambler as Young is. Don't want to get the body used up while the mental part is still coming along.
Bottom line is this guy is a one man show and there is absolutely no reason he can't be an excellent NFL QB. I mean he can't carry an NFL team like he can a college one, but who can? (Look at Vick, Favre, etc).
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Post by jhanawa on Jan 22, 2006 10:46:56 GMT -6
He also needs to learn to put the ball away better, the pro's are faster and will cause him to fumble it, but there's no doubt that he is phenom athelete.
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Post by airman on Jan 22, 2006 11:11:17 GMT -6
boy he looked good playing tulane and new mexico state.
see the problem is, what is he going to do when a lber can run as fast as he can? what is he going to do when brian urlacher seprates his helmet from his head.
best thing for vince young would be to, get drafter by someone like tenn. sit behing mcnair for acouple years, while norm chow corrects his mechincs and creates a dropback passer out of him. tenn did it with mcnair.
first thing they need to train him is how to throw the ball correctly.
lets see what the scouts say about him after the combine. one afc scout said" he will be lucky to be drafted in the top 10"
tog, thanks for the rap music warning. I turn off all crapper rappers.
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Post by con on Jan 22, 2006 11:31:42 GMT -6
by no means am i saying he is turning around a pro team next year. but he has some great tools urlacher is going to hit everyone. his speed will be excellent in the nfl yes everyone is faster. but everyone also played college at one point and not many moved like that kid.
i hope the jets draft him and sit him behind
pennington no i mean fieldler no i mean bollinger
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Post by tog on Jan 22, 2006 11:39:00 GMT -6
i don't know why anyone would want to turn him into a pocket passer
that's kinda like
"hey, we have this world class sprinter, let's make him a OL"
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Post by airman on Jan 22, 2006 11:39:12 GMT -6
by no means am i saying he is turning around a pro team next year. but he has some great tools urlacher is going to hit everyone. his speed will be excellent in the nfl yes everyone is faster. but everyone also played college at one point and not many moved like that kid. i hope the jets draft him and sit him behind pennington no i mean fieldler no i mean bollinger see he is a 21 year old boy who is going to going against 24 to 30 yr old men who are at the top of their game. no running qb has been worth a dam in the nfl. whoever drafts him, is going to have to teach him how to play qb. he has been in the shot gun 90% of the time. they are not a big playaction team and nfl teams are. the biggest thing is being able to turn your back on playaction and then read the coverages. he has not had to do that at texas. the shot gun offers a great deal of benefits when it comes to reading coverages and a buffer zone when it comes to the blitz. I just think he is going to be anther culpepper. linehart might not make it either, he at least had played in a pro style system. look at kyle orton. his last two years purdue went to a onback, 3wr offense. he was in the shotgun some, however he was mainly undercenter. because he played in the pro style offense he was able to be successful as a rookie. |
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Post by coltscoach on Jan 22, 2006 12:00:22 GMT -6
boy he looked good playing tulane and new mexico state. see the problem is, what is he going to do when a lber can run as fast as he can? what is he going to do when Brian urlacher separates his helmet from his head. best thing for Vince young would be to, get drafter by someone like Tenn. sit behind mcnair for acouple years, while norm chow corrects his mechincs and creates a dropback passer out of him. tenn did it with mcnair. first thing they need to train him is how to throw the ball correctly. lets see what the scouts say about him after the combine. one afc scout said" he will be lucky to be drafted in the top 10" tog, thanks for the rap music warning. I turn off all crapper rappers. you know its amazing how everyone seems to think that the NFL way is the only way... What would happen if say a mad scientist got him and decided to go spread option. Urlacher cant hit what he cant catch and you take a 275lb TE that can crack and Urlacher becomes another LB with his head on a swivel. O yeah so does Ray lewis and all the other super stud LBs out there. I mean who ever thought that the wing -t offense would ever leave the pros... Hum when was the last time an offense ran that the majority of the time in the NFL. With these QB;s coming out bigger and faster and less of the drop back passers being groomed in the HS/college ranks some crazy coach will come up with an idea to take three or 4 of these wild running QB's pair them with a great defense and a couple of other play makers and really have fun with it... O yeah Jacksonville did when Leftwich went down and did pretty well with David Garrard. It will happen sooner than later and I think Norm Chow might me crazy enough to do it... he is a genius by the way And by the way I liked the music .. it kinda fit the theme.. Though I prefer country I can see exacty how this could be used to recruit another Vince Young. |
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Post by tog on Jan 22, 2006 12:02:03 GMT -6
no running qb has been worth a dam in the nfl. they don't use them right |
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Post by highwayman on Jan 22, 2006 12:38:24 GMT -6
by no means am i saying he is turning around a pro team next year. but he has some great tools urlacher is going to hit everyone. his speed will be excellent in the nfl yes everyone is faster. but everyone also played college at one point and not many moved like that kid. i hope the jets draft him and sit him behind pennington no i mean fieldler no i mean bollinger see he is a 21 year old boy who is going to going against 24 to 30 yr old men who are at the top of their game. no running qb has been worth a dam in the nfl. whoever drafts him, is going to have to teach him how to play qb. he has been in the shot gun 90% of the time. they are not a big playaction team and nfl teams are. the biggest thing is being able to turn your back on playaction and then read the coverages. he has not had to do that at texas. the shot gun offers a great deal of benefits when it comes to reading coverages and a buffer zone when it comes to the blitz. I just think he is going to be anther culpepper. linehart might not make it either, he at least had played in a pro style system. look at kyle orton. his last two years purdue went to a onback, 3wr offense. he was in the shotgun some, however he was mainly undercenter. because he played in the pro style offense he was able to be successful as a rookie. Texas was a huge play action team, albeit out of the gun, but PAP nonetheless. Did you watch the Rose Bowl? Tons of PAP. Just because he can run doesn't mean that's ALL he can do. How come Vince had all that room to run ALL year? Because he's a darn good passer, and defenses have to honor that. To make him a pocket passer is ridiculous. Also, if I'm not mistaken, there are plenty of QB's in the NFL that played in shotgun offenses in college, as well as plenty of NFL offenses that run the shotgun. This guy has talents that few people do, so why hamstring him by not letting him move? I'm not saying that he's going to solve the Texan's problems (by himself) if they draft him, but to say he won't be any good in the NFL is ignorant. |
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Post by highwayman on Jan 22, 2006 17:16:21 GMT -6
Roethlisberger just whipped up on the Broncos. What type of offense did he play in during his time at Miami of Ohio? Just wondering.
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Post by spreadattack on Jan 22, 2006 17:33:02 GMT -6
Roethlisberger just whipped up on the Broncos. What type of offense did he play in during his time at Miami of Ohio? Just wondering. Pro-style one back. 3 WRs, and 1 TE, 2 TEs with H-back motions, etc. They were a very good play action passing team when he was there, ran the ball better than you'd expect too. |
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Post by airman on Jan 22, 2006 20:07:20 GMT -6
boy he looked good playing tulane and new mexico state. see the problem is, what is he going to do when a lber can run as fast as he can? what is he going to do when Brian urlacher separates his helmet from his head. best thing for Vince young would be to, get drafter by someone like Tenn. sit behind mcnair for acouple years, while norm chow corrects his mechincs and creates a dropback passer out of him. tenn did it with mcnair. first thing they need to train him is how to throw the ball correctly. lets see what the scouts say about him after the combine. one afc scout said" he will be lucky to be drafted in the top 10" tog, thanks for the rap music warning. I turn off all crapper rappers. you know its amazing how everyone seems to think that the NFL way is the only way... What would happen if say a mad scientist got him and decided to go spread option. Urlacher cant hit what he cant catch and you take a 275lb TE that can crack and Urlacher becomes another LB with his head on a swivel. O yeah so does Ray lewis and all the other super stud LBs out there. I mean who ever thought that the wing -t offense would ever leave the pros... Hum when was the last time an offense ran that the majority of the time in the NFL. With these QB;s coming out bigger and faster and less of the drop back passers being groomed in the HS/college ranks some crazy coach will come up with an idea to take three or 4 of these wild running QB's pair them with a great defense and a couple of other play makers and really have fun with it... O yeah Jacksonville did when Leftwich went down and did pretty well with David Garrard. It will happen sooner than later and I think Norm Chow might me crazy enough to do it... he is a genius by the way And by the way I liked the music .. it kinda fit the theme.. Though I prefer country I can see exacty how this could be used to recruit another Vince Young. the defenses in the nfl are just too good. in college you typically see zone defense. very few teams have their corners lock on in man coverage. miami and vt are two I can think of who do this. in college the preferred method is man coverage. this is why bunch and stacks work so well in the nfl. the colts tried it several years ago, then ran the wishbone with a option qb. the spread option would not work very well in the nfl. the hits a qb would take are just too much. besides, you have to throw the ball in the nfl as well. |
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Post by los on Jan 22, 2006 20:42:19 GMT -6
Texas had a good offensive team all around! Good o-line, downfield blocking, good recivers(especially like that TE). Good team effort helps to showcase the skill guys, such as the QB! If the kid gets on the wrong NFL team without these benefits it could be a hurtful experience is all i'm saying! Reguardless of what scheme they run!
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Post by coltscoach on Jan 23, 2006 5:57:31 GMT -6
Colts tried it several years ago with who? I dont rember them ever having the talent of a Vick or Young. Now the wishbone is a who different story than the spread. But I am sure your right everything is so much better in the pros that a college kid cant really make a difference his first or second year in.....
Go Steelers.
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