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Post by guerinfbfan on Jul 17, 2007 22:41:51 GMT -6
As some know I want to get into coaching once I am done with college. I am extremely fascinated with the offensive side of the ball. I was wondering what are ideal things to start to pick up on when watching a team run their offense? What are some things that I should do to start to learn some types of offenses myself? What types of offenses are easier to use and better suited for kids at the high school level?
Sorry in advance to any of you defensive guys, defense just really is not my thing.
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Post by easye17 on Jul 17, 2007 22:46:27 GMT -6
Get in somewhere and volunteer and learn from the coaches. Find a local high school or the college you're at. There are a ton of different styles of offense, all very good high school offenses. Just pay attention to whatever or whoever you are working with. Just watching from a distance is very hard to learn the nuances of an offense. You have to get your hands dirty and learn it.
Second part - if you want to get good at offense, you absolutely, must, 100% need to know defense.
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Post by lukethadrifter on Jul 17, 2007 23:45:03 GMT -6
Learn as much about the offensive line as possible. This is where it all starts offensively. You need to study offensive systems, and the blocking schemes that they have. This is where a lot of early learning takes place. To understand these blocking schemes completely though, you must know basic defensive fronts and coverages and how they operate. Good Luck! Luke
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Post by kylem56 on Jul 18, 2007 7:12:05 GMT -6
Just like easye17 said, I would volunteer at your college or a local hs, theres no better way to learn than actual experience
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Post by coachcb on Jul 18, 2007 7:51:21 GMT -6
I agree with Luke- learn as much about the OL as you can. Good OL guys can be hard to come by; pick up as much about blocking schemes is imperative.
One of the things that got me my new job at the HS level was being able to talk blocking schemes with the new HC I am working for. Having the ability to look at his blocking schemes and understand them left a very good impression with him. Just being able to point out the pros and cons of various pass pros helped me out immensely.
As luke said, you can't get much done offensively if you don't have sound blocking schemes. And it's not just limited to knowing the schemes on paper; KNOW THE FOOTWORK!!.
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Post by phantom on Jul 18, 2007 8:21:16 GMT -6
I'll second and third those who recommended learning OL and focusing on technique. Any goofball (and I'm NOT calling you a goofball) can play around with Xs and Os. I did it when I was 14. Most coaches, I'd venture to say, start that way. Everybody knows who to block. HOW to block? That's a specialty and a marketable skill. In addition, you'll have a lot of fun because OL have no egos and tend to be smart and funny.
Also, don't discount coaching defense. Wing T guru Dennis Creehan is a DC and has been for many years. You do what you have to do to have a job. Who knows? You may find that you enjoy "the dark side".
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Post by guerinfbfan on Jul 18, 2007 10:15:02 GMT -6
Can I hear a what knowledge you guys have on the offensive line if it wouldn't be any trouble.
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Post by phantom on Jul 18, 2007 12:17:18 GMT -6
I've been coaching offensive linemen since 1979.
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Post by guerinfbfan on Jul 18, 2007 12:38:07 GMT -6
I've been coaching offensive linemen since 1979. Im guessing that you could write a book for me then right?
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Post by phantom on Jul 18, 2007 18:13:30 GMT -6
It's not really that complicared. It's all about aiming points, footwork, and finishing.
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Post by coachjimmer on Jul 19, 2007 11:22:40 GMT -6
Study the single wing offense or philosophy. It is a root of most of today's offense systems. You could find those single wing books at a university library or in the playbook section of this board.
I would also encourage you to study any and all offensive systems such as double wing, wing-t, pro-I, wishbone, air raid, west coast offense, etc. You could find some ideas from those systems to incorporate into your own offensive system if you have one.
I am like you. I am an offensive minded coach and I love to study all the offensive systems. Defense is not my thing too. However, it is wise to study all the defensive systems as well.
I love spread offense. I always try to inside of great coaches' heads such as Andy Coverdale, Dan Robinson, June Jones, Mike Ememdorfer, Tony Franklin, Mike Shanahan, so forth to understand their offensive philosophy. However, I do try to figure out how to stop spread offense. I read John Rice's book called "Defending the Spread Offense" just about everyday so I could be a well prepared coach.
For your information, I will coach defensive backs this fall to the best of my ability. I want to be a well rounded coach.
Jimmer
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Post by schultbear74 on Jul 19, 2007 12:18:36 GMT -6
guerin, This is what I love about this site. I've been coaching O-line since 1980. I've learned about coaching line from some great line coaches by watching and asking questions. Learning goes on as long as you are open to new ideas but grounded in the old ones. Hey, go to a clinic with a bunch of coaches. You'll learn as much from them on the trip as you will from the presenters.
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Post by tog on Jul 19, 2007 19:16:54 GMT -6
learn OL learn secondary
then learn everything else
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Post by brophy on Jul 19, 2007 19:33:48 GMT -6
learn OL learn secondary then learn everything else word! Learn blocking (rationale) and you know offense Learn secondary (support) and you know defense. period.....it don't get no simpler
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Post by warrior53 on Jul 19, 2007 20:05:08 GMT -6
well said dcohio
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Post by gator9 on Jul 20, 2007 10:34:06 GMT -6
I would pick one offensive position and learn it inside and out. As you progress in your career you can learn other positions, but it can be overwhelming to set out to learn a particular offense as a whole.
There are so many things to teach when it comes to technique in any position but you need to create a base to start with.
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Post by lukethadrifter on Jul 20, 2007 15:13:34 GMT -6
This may be a little off subject (or maybe not), but a huge key to success early on for new coaches is how well they master the art of communication. A coach may know his X's and O's or techniques to his position better than anybody, but it is how well this coach communicates what he knows to his athletes that is key. If you can't get athletes to understand what you know, then you will be a poor coach (or classroom teacher). The performance of the kids you coach on the field has a lot to do with communication skills. Always make things simple for them to understand (even down to every word that you use). Reminds me of a college professor I had who was renowned as a genius in his field. His IQ was off the charts. He had written books, won awards, etc... He was also the worst teacher I had in college, bar none. He was way over our heads and could not communicate what he knew to us. Half the time, we looked at each other with blank stares while he lectured with a look that said, "What the heck is he saying?" Most of us dropped this class, and I heard that there was not an "A" made by the ones that stayed. My two cents again. Luke
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Post by phantom on Jul 20, 2007 15:15:44 GMT -6
This may be a little off subject (or maybe not), but a huge key to success early on for new coaches is how well they master the art of communication. A coach may know his X's and O's or techniques to his position better than anybody, but it is how well this coach communicates what he knows to his athletes that is key. If you can't get athletes to understand what you know, then you will be a poor coach (or classroom teacher). The performance of the kids you coach on the field has a lot to do with communication skills. Always make things simple for them to understand (even down to every word that you use). Reminds me of a college professor I had who was renowned as a genius in his field. His IQ was off the charts. He had written books, won awards, etc... He was also the worst teacher I had in college, bar none. He was way over our heads and could not communicate what he knew to us. Half the time, we looked at each other with blank stares while he lectured with a look that said, "What the heck is he saying?" Most of us dropped this class, and I heard that there was not an "A" made by the ones that stayed. My two cents again. Luke Great advice.
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Post by lukethadrifter on Jul 21, 2007 10:39:44 GMT -6
Thanks Phantom. I always enjoy reading your posts. What a great site this is. Luke
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2007 11:55:54 GMT -6
guerin, good to see you on here. As stated here and on the turk board for you, learn as much as you can about the oline.
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