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Post by Mav on Jan 4, 2006 14:28:53 GMT -6
How important is actually getting paid by the high school, as opposed officially being a 'volunteer' (at the same pay), being paid by the Gridiron Boosters? I have a young coach who's trying to build his resume asking me this recently. Wasn't sure of the answer. Any thoughts would be appreciated.
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Post by aztec on Jan 4, 2006 14:32:31 GMT -6
It doesn't matter how you get paid, but what you do on the field. In CA anyone who works with children has to register with the district and state with a background check and finger prints. If they did a good job a coach will be able to verify that. We always call prior coaches and talk to them before making any hires
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Post by brophy on Jan 4, 2006 14:36:24 GMT -6
I don't know if I understand the question...
You can be CONTRACTED by the district....or you are a volunteer (NOT employed by the District).
How WE do it, though....is that we fund-raise, seemingly, year-round. We fund raise to buy pizza on game night, jerseys, team trips out of state, 7-on-7 tournaments, hosting tournaments, etc......money handled by the Boosters....
part of that money collected is offered to volunteers after the season in cash.
NONE of that matters as far as being a coach...but if you don't want to report the income, you would be a 'volunteer'....
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Post by Mav on Jan 4, 2006 15:06:07 GMT -6
I don't know if I understand the question... You can be CONTRACTED by the district....or you are a volunteer (NOT employed by the District). How WE do it, though....is that we fund-raise, seemingly, year-round. We fund raise to buy pizza on game night, jerseys, team trips out of state, 7-on-7 tournaments, hosting tournaments, etc......money handled by the Boosters.... part of that money collected is offered to volunteers after the season in cash. NONE of that matters as far as being a coach...but if you don't want to report the income, you would be a 'volunteer'.... It's done the same way around here - you're either officially hired and paid by the school district or a volunteer who's paid by the fundraising/boosters club. The question is -- Would a future hiring coach look at someone who was hired and paid by the district differently than a volunteer who was paid by the boosters. He's thinking a 'volunteer' position may not look as good on his coaching resume. |
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Post by brophy on Jan 4, 2006 15:21:14 GMT -6
A coach is a coach, isn't it?
Maybe I'm wrong but if you're teaching kids football, you're a coach.
If you're listing "volunteer" on a coaching resume, it means you were the equal of an equipment manager. Semantics. His question, IMO, is academic
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Post by Mav on Jan 4, 2006 17:06:24 GMT -6
A coach is a coach, isn't it? Maybe I'm wrong but if you're teaching kids football, you're a coach. If you're listing "volunteer" on a coaching resume, it means you were the equal of an equipment manager. Semantics. His question, IMO, is academic Interestingly enough, we recently had a head coach resign in our league because disgruntled parents challenged his resume. He stated he was an asst for 20 years and when they did a background check, the school had no official records of him being hired. Talk about a witch hunt. Does anyone believe there's a pecking order where the asst paid by the school district are percieved to be more important? |
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Post by ogie4 on Jan 5, 2006 8:33:26 GMT -6
If your being paid, and I don't believe it matters by whom, you are no longer a volunteer coach. To avoid the situation Mav wrote about, save your copies of your coaching evaluations as evidence of years of service, or ask the head coach to write a short letter acknowledging your service. I have been asked to show proof of my one year as a "volunteer" coach when I was student teaching. The Coach I worked for passed on and I was thankful to have the coaching evaluation he gave me as evidence of that service.
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Post by Coach Huey on Jan 6, 2006 0:44:40 GMT -6
i wouldn't even put it on my resume. in fact, that thought has never even crossed my mind until i read this post. is this something commonly done in states where a high school coach doesn't have to be a teacher or employee of the school district?
to me, that's a non-factor in hiring.
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Post by outlawzheadcoach on Jan 6, 2006 8:20:45 GMT -6
Sadly enough though there are many people who think that just because someone didnt finish college and became a lay coach instead that they dont have any idea about the game of football. Peoples perception of someone coaching abilities are sometimes sadly misconstrued.
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Post by Mav on Jan 6, 2006 9:42:31 GMT -6
i wouldn't even put it on my resume. in fact, that thought has never even crossed my mind until i read this post. is this something commonly done in states where a high school coach doesn't have to be a teacher or employee of the school district? to me, that's a non-factor in hiring. You're correct -- it's not necessarily written on the resume. I was referring to 'resume building' in figurative terms... meaning an inexperienced,(usually young) motivated person looking to add quality experiences to his 'accomplishments list'. In the business I'm in, we call this 'resume building'. Oops -- I guess I shouldn't use slang on discussion boards.  But it does confirm my initial thoughts that who pays you doesn't/shouldn't matter. But after he asked this, I wanted to be sure I was giving him an informed answer, and there's no better place to get that, than here on this board. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2006 12:29:42 GMT -6
I'm a young coach (26) working for my second school. At my first job, I was a volunteer, but it didn't even occur to me to list volunteer on my resume. I did receive money for my services but was not employed by the school. I think most of this occurs based on how many coaches a school district is willing to pay. At my first job, the school paid a head coach and 5 assistants. At a large school, that isn't enough so finding "volunteers" is necessary.
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Post by shortyardage on Jan 6, 2006 17:30:03 GMT -6
I wouldn't list volunteer OR paid. It doesn't matter at all. I've seen plenty of people start off as volunteers and after proving themselves they start to get paid. Besides, what coach ever gets paid enough to be able to justify coaching to his wife ?
There might be a pecking order, such as full stipend, half stipend, etc. but the value of an assistant coach lies in his ability to implement the head coaches philosophy and policies.
As an old coach once told me:" It doesn't matter how much someone is getting paid, if they're good then it isn't enough and if they're bad then it's too much".
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