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Post by boblucy on Nov 21, 2005 19:15:49 GMT -6
Is it only lazy coaches who just go to practice and say "go at it guys", or does it make teams more physical? Can techniques and skills be sharpened and refined if a team scrimmages once or twice a week??
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Post by los on Nov 21, 2005 20:20:38 GMT -6
Bob, I might be old fashioned but we always scrimmage once or twice a week, even after the season starts. One day would be for the "O" and one for the "D", primarily. Not the entire practice but at least half of it! How else can you put the stuff you learned in individuals, to work? I don't want to wait till a real game, to see if someones doing something wrong! Some coaches are worried about injuries and don't hit each other much but I'm not one of them. Just a habit I guess Bob, carried over from my playing days- we hit all week at practice(except thursdays was up high only), played the real game on friday night, got over all the bumps and bruises on saturday and usually played full contact sandlot game all day sunday! Mostly all pass out of the shotgun though! Since we didn't have a reg. field or chains, 2 complete passes across the los was a 1st. down. But you could still get your bell rung out there!@#*@! Since I'm not a teacher and just an asst. coach, If I hear they're not going to hit on a certain practise day(Mon-Wed), I'll usually just stay home! I can't coach football with no collisions at all for 2-3 hours! Might as well be coaching soccer or girls softball!
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Post by fish on Nov 21, 2005 21:04:41 GMT -6
when you say scrimmage, is this different than team time? because we go team everyday and rep plays after going over it as individual and group for both offense and defense.
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Post by boblucy on Nov 21, 2005 21:38:40 GMT -6
Scrimmage in my book means heavy, helmet to helmet, face mask to face mask battle. Full on, live action that requires good blocking and execution for plays to work. For the injury aspect, it can be risky, but this is football, not tittly-winks and the only way to do it on friday nights is to actually do it on tuesdays...I believe it can't be an every practice event, and in the end, its how well the players polish and execute their actual positional skills in practice, that determine the outcomes of games. It's the older coaches who are avid fundamentalists, who still walk away with trophies at the end of the year where I live........
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Post by los on Nov 22, 2005 7:07:16 GMT -6
Nope KW, help as much as I can, no pay(except gas money), days wnen they don't hit usually amount to me standing around like the players, listening to the HC/OC and DC talking! Sometimes at the end of it they'll ask me if I have anything to add but I've usually forgotten the topic by that time! If I think I can sqeeze in some valuable individual training, I'll show up then!
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Post by dmckillip on Nov 22, 2005 9:55:06 GMT -6
I am convinced that you have to go "live" during the week. Not hitting or scrimmaging teaches both the offense and the defense bad habits.
We run two 15 minute periods on Tuesday and Wednesday (DIII Small College). One period is "Interior" 9 on 7 which focuses on running our offens ena ddefense. One period "scout" where our #1 offense runs or opponents O and then our #1 defense runs or opponents D.
Keeps the kids sharp.
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Post by phantom on Nov 22, 2005 20:08:40 GMT -6
We also hit on our hard days (Tuesday and Wednesday). We quick-whistle it and don't allow the scout team to tackle low or hit the QB when we're working offense but our group/team sessions are very physical.
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Post by los on Nov 22, 2005 20:58:36 GMT -6
KW, We do hit in individual stuff when the kids are dressed out! I'm probably not being clear. Its a 40 mile round trip to the school for me and I just get " disgruntled" at times when I've spent all weekend thinking of stuff we need to work on, and I get to practice and the whole team is in helmets, shorts and tee shirts. I just have a hard time figuring out what the linemen are suppossed to do in this attire! I just hate wasting time on more " advanced" stuff , when we still can't do our ABC's right! I'm sure its all good and I'm just getting cranky in my old age! I just shudder to think of the response I'd have gotten from my old high school coach if I told him, "we were too beat up to practice in full pads" After the first 100 yards of grass drills/ up-downs we'd be begging to hit!
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Post by saintrad on Nov 22, 2005 23:17:30 GMT -6
i look at running a football team as i would building a house.
You just don't go out there and throw up the house or act like builders. you must have a lan, and then you lay a foundation (of fundamentals) before you lay the sub-floor and rough out the walls,plumbing, and wiring. You shourtcut one of those steps you will only collapse your house.
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Post by Coach Huey on Nov 22, 2005 23:34:39 GMT -6
depending on what you call scrimmaging, i guess
i believe this...........
true teaching occurs in individual & groups settings NOT in a team setting
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Post by saintrad on Nov 22, 2005 23:45:55 GMT -6
amen coach huey amen
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Post by los on Nov 22, 2005 23:54:26 GMT -6
Thanks for the words of wisdom, KW. I'm still there! I love the game and the comraderie with the other coaches and the players to become too ("disgruntled"). In fact, I'm trying to arrange my schedule at work so I can get to practice more often during the school year.(tough for me to get there at 3:30 every day)
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Post by phantom on Nov 23, 2005 2:55:15 GMT -6
depending on what you call scrimmaging, i guess i believe this........... true teaching occurs in individual & groups settings NOT in a team setting I agree but team drills are where you find out if they really get it. The theoretical becomes the practical in team. Instead of telling them to execute a down block they now have to decide for themselves that a down block is appropriate and execute it properly under durress. |
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Post by boblucy on Nov 23, 2005 5:57:38 GMT -6
Very true, Phantom. Also, this allows coaches to really make a point to the linemen that their individual stances MUST be the exact same every single time they get down. Sometimes, during practices where the coach is teaching certain points, a kid will really try the technique the coach is trying to push, even if it's not comfortable for him. During a game, under stress and pressure, the kid will revert back to a stance that is most comfortable for him, not what is most technically sound.
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Post by coachcalande on Nov 23, 2005 6:42:18 GMT -6
My philosophy is that scrimmage is really nothing more than testing/evaluation. Keep it short, video tape it and it will give you a clue as to what you need to focus on in your next practice.
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Post by saintrad on Nov 23, 2005 8:22:18 GMT -6
the point here was the value of just scrimmaging all the time and not using it as the tool it is intended to be. i had to deal with that this year for the first time when our HC/OC would spend 45-60 minutes a day running the offense against my scout D, then have a 20 minute inside(front 7 against the run)/outisde (2nd and 3rd level agianst the pass) then a 10 minute team D. That was it for my defensive practice. Very little time for fundamentals. WHen the allure of repping one side of the ball or other is done at the expense of fundamentals the best you can hope for is a .500 season.
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Post by boblucy on Nov 23, 2005 17:19:32 GMT -6
boblucy, I agree most o-linemen will revert back to bad habits. For example, the stance. I am a firm believer in right and left handed stances. Have to coach it everyday. My philosophy is either you are not coaching it or you are letting it happen. Players are a reflection of their coach and what is being taught. kw That's good knowledge, kw. That goes right along with one of my all-time favorite sayings, "If you tolerate it, you ENCOURAGE IT."....... |
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Post by phantom on Nov 23, 2005 18:00:12 GMT -6
the point here qas the value of just scrimmaging all the time and not using it as the tool it is intended to be. i had to deal with that this year for the first time when our HC/OC would spend 45-60 minutes a day running the offense against my scout D, then have a 20 minute inside(front 7 against the run)/outisde (2nd and 3rd level agianst the pass) then a 10 minute team D. That was it for my defensive practice. Very little time for fundamentals. WHen the allure of repping one side of the ball or other is done at the expense of fundamentals the best you can hope for is a .500 season. Scrimmaging ALL the time is a different story as is not allowing enough time for defense. Although I think I know the answer I'll ask anyway: are these scrimmages scripted? |
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