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Post by coach1996 on Jul 3, 2006 12:30:44 GMT -6
Coaches, who do you believe is the best triple option coach right now and why? I would like to hear your rationale.
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Post by sls on Jul 3, 2006 12:45:03 GMT -6
I think Tony Demeo is pretty special. Was very good at the option from underneath and his gun veer stuff is excellent. Has won every where he has ever been.
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Post by coachg on Jul 3, 2006 12:47:17 GMT -6
The best Triple option Coach you will ever find is Willie Slater the head coach at Tuskeegee University in Alabama. The man has won 5 Division 2 National Championships as a Coordinator running the Triple Option. 2 With Troy State(in Alabama) 1984 and 1987; 3 With the University of North Alabama 1993-1995. The man is really an Option legend.
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Post by kkennedy on Jul 3, 2006 12:54:46 GMT -6
Paul Johnson in college and John Curtis in high school.
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Post by ccscoach on Jul 3, 2006 13:04:38 GMT -6
Paul Johnson at Navy is the best option coach in the country he has a something like 6 national championships at D1AA and does more with less at Navy then any other coach in the country.
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Post by tvt50 on Jul 3, 2006 13:42:42 GMT -6
Paul Johnson. Im not as big of a fan of DeMeo.
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Post by coachtroy54 on Jul 3, 2006 13:48:00 GMT -6
Paul Johnson has it nailed ans does more with less. Just started looking into DeMeo, I do like what I see so far.
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Post by bobdoc78 on Jul 3, 2006 14:07:25 GMT -6
Paul Johnson is the best. He seems to be able to run the offense without a playcalling sheet. He sees the defense well and knows exactly what he wants to do. They dont run many plays but execute flawlessly. They dont use many formations and teams still seemed out coached. I was at navy he was not very accessilbe.Has anyone ever heard him speak? I have never seen him on a speaker list for a clinic
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Post by sls on Jul 3, 2006 15:08:59 GMT -6
Paul Johnson is amazing. Do you think that he will ever get a shot in a premier conference?
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Post by tog on Jul 3, 2006 16:18:28 GMT -6
wish he would
i like em all
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Post by groundchuck on Jul 3, 2006 17:01:55 GMT -6
1. Paul Johnson 2. Tony DeMeo 3. JT Curtis The thing about Johnson though is he does not share much if at all. DeMeo shares and his videos and books are very good. JT Curtis' DVDs are very good as well. Curtis is pure splitback veer where as DeMeo is double slot and gun triple.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 3, 2006 19:07:32 GMT -6
Just a word about Curtis. While they advertise themselves as a Veer team, they "give" 90-95% of the time. Curtis does an exceptional job of marketing their school in a talent laden area. They get their kids, they run the "Dive", the keep people from scoring, they win 25+ state championships.
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Post by optiononme on Jul 3, 2006 22:09:40 GMT -6
Jerry Campbell of Victoria Memorial in Texas is excellent in teaching the option at any level. Check his stuff out at jcfb.com. He has been successful everywhere he's been and is an excellent clinician.
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Post by tog on Jul 3, 2006 22:41:20 GMT -6
option aint that hard
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Post by coach1996 on Jul 4, 2006 7:41:43 GMT -6
Guys, great answers so far! Man, this is an awesome board! Tog, what do you mean? Are you referring to the option overall or to Jerry Campbell's version of the option?
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Post by coachnicholson on Jul 4, 2006 7:57:27 GMT -6
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Post by blb on Jul 4, 2006 9:29:41 GMT -6
sls, to answer your question, I don't think Paul Johnson or any other option coach will "get a shot in a premier conference."
The ADs in BCS conferences are most concerned about the $$ bottom line to pay for non-revenue sports. This means putting fannies in the football stadium (at outrageous prices). To them that translates to entertainment, which means throwing the ball.
Further, every recruit at that level thinks they're going to the NFL, so they want to play in a system where they're going to be throwing, catching, or pass blocking most of the time. It would be very difficult to recruit well enough to be competitive enough to last long, even if an AD took a flyer on an option guy.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 4, 2006 13:23:33 GMT -6
blb.
I agree with you. I think the option is "dead" in the BCS. Too much of a burden on recruiting, both in finding the athletes, and dealing with negative recruiting. Very easy to negative recruit a Big Ten school running the option.
Also though, I wonder how the option would fare against the types of Dline/LB's/Safeties that are in the BCS now. Those guys cover A LOT of ground.
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Post by coach1996 on Jul 4, 2006 14:11:14 GMT -6
CoachD5085, why are not you a fan of the option? What is your reason for not liking this aspect of offensive football?
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Post by blb on Jul 4, 2006 14:54:53 GMT -6
coachd5085,
To see how the option would fare against BCS-caliber defenses, watch Florida and Texas A&M this fall.
Neither Meyer nor Franchione are labeled "option" coaches because their QB is in the Shotgun most (if not all) of the time, but their schemes revolve around it.
Meyer will be hampered again, perhaps, by having a QB not suited to the system. Coach Fran's offense may not be able to outscore opponents.
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Post by groundchuck on Jul 4, 2006 14:59:12 GMT -6
Jerry Campbell's option materials are very good as well; and I heard Tony Annese(sp) from MI speak on the option this past winter. He does a very good job.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 4, 2006 15:48:18 GMT -6
1996 I never said I was anti option. I simply don't think that the under-center option can be the mainstay of the offense in BCS leagues for several reasons, many listed on this thread.
1) It is not a fan friendly offense, despite what many of us coaches wish.
2) Scholarship limits have spread the talent out. Gone are the days where Bama, OU, Nebraska, Texas etc. have guys on the 4th and 5th strings that would start at conference rivals. Teams can no longer give a kid a scholly just to make sure they don't play against him for 4 years. Which leads us to....
3) FASTER DEFENSES. Defenses can R U N much better now than they could when option was the king. Lineman and backers are bigger, faster, stronger and can disrupt reads better than before. Don't kid yourself. I know everyone says "ooh, the option is an equalizer offense, you dont need better athletes." Just keep in mind that when Royal, Bryant, Osborne, and Switzer were running the option, THEY ALWAYS had the better athletes.
3) "Going to the League" mentality. It would be very tough recruiting anyone that can compete at that level, because as mentioned, they are all now "going to the league" in their minds. If you try to instal the under-center flexbone, be prepared to lose athletes to rival schools.
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Post by blb on Jul 4, 2006 15:55:55 GMT -6
On the fan-friendly issue, the late Jim Wacker did a survey when he was at TCU in the '80s.
He asked Horned Frog fans which they would rather see: TCU win 17-10 running the Veer (as he had been), or lose 38-37 with a wide-open (read: passing) offense?
The latter won overwhelmingly. So he switched to the one-back, left for Minnesota a year or two later, and after winning 30% of his games in five years throwing the ball with the Gophers, retired from coaching.
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Post by wildcat on Jul 4, 2006 17:18:54 GMT -6
Jerry Campbell's option materials are very good as well; and I heard Tony Annese(sp) from MI speak on the option this past winter. He does a very good job. Chuck - Who is the coach at Stillwater High School who has won a bunch of championships running option? I read his book a couple of years ago.
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Post by tog on Jul 4, 2006 17:34:22 GMT -6
option football can be simple, and that is good, that is what i meant guys
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Post by tog on Jul 4, 2006 17:38:06 GMT -6
oh yeah, we run option here guys
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Post by wb on Jul 4, 2006 18:16:57 GMT -6
I would have to believe Bob Ladecour at De Lasalle HS in Ca. would have to be consider one of the top option coaches in the country.
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Post by coachchad on Jul 4, 2006 19:08:17 GMT -6
I do agree with those who don't think under center option will be hitting the BCS anytime soon, but I do have a lot of what ifs about could it be successful.
First, Nebraska was dominant with the offense in the modern era of scholly limitations and evenly dispersed talent. I would even argue that there isn't much in Lincoln, Nebraska, besides cold nights and not-so attractive women, to sell recruits on. They were still able to get kids there that formed some of the best teams in the country. Remember they won titles in 94, 95, 97, and even made the title game as late as 2000. I don't think the reason they fell off was because the option wouldn't work, but I think the reasons that have been brought up would make it a tough sell to fans and recruits alike.
Also, a school like Navy or Air Force obviously doesn't have anywhere near the athletes of most of their opponents -- especially in their bowl games. I don't think many people would argue that Navy would be more successful if they went to the one back, zone running, vertical passing game similar to most NFL offenses. If they just tried to pound it down their opponents' throats, I think they would have a ridiculously tough time trying to move the ball. So, if the option gives worse athletes more success in moving the ball, what would happen if those guys had a little more skill. That four yard, tough run by a navy running back or QB would look a little different with a guy like Vince Young or Reggie Bush doing it. If you watch some of the OL types these schools use, you could imagine what the kids most big time schools have could do up front. People also liked the spread because it was different when it first came out. The option would certainly be different for whatever team decided to use it in a major conference.
I don't necessarily think that the offense would just be the new rave in college football, but I don't think that you could say definitively that it wouldn't work. Again, I don't think this will happen anytime soon because of all the other reasons mentioned above, but teams like USC, Texas, LSU, Florida, and so on could find some pretty dangerous athletes to put at those skill positions, and they would have to be more successful than Navy is with lesser ones.
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Post by groundchuck on Jul 4, 2006 19:32:39 GMT -6
George Thole is the former coach at Stillwater who wrote the book "From Veer to Eternity". And he is one of the great option coaches too!
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 4, 2006 20:13:29 GMT -6
coach chad, Good points about the Huskers.
I agree with what you are saying, but I think one of if not THE most critical part of Navy's success is that they are one of the few teams. If the option became "en vogue" again, I think it would see diminishing success. Anything that those schools do with the best athletes in the country would be successful though.
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