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Post by shocktroop34 on Mar 25, 2008 6:56:26 GMT -6
Fellas,
I'm currently in a state that has no spring football (MD). I belive that our state could implement spring ball with the right amount of preparation, organization, and support.
I would like input from other states that have spring ball. What is your format? How many days? What month do you start? How many padded days? What hurdles might we face (besides conflicting with other spring sports)? What rules do you have to follow?
Do you have any paper work, documents, or files that you might be able to share?
I'd like to generate support from other coaches in our state, but I'd like to have some ducks in line first. Thanks for any help guys.
-Shock
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Post by morris on Mar 25, 2008 7:23:42 GMT -6
In KY you can have spring ball 2 weeks after your schools basketball season ends. You get 3 weeks to get in 10 practices I believe. We also have a dead period during the summer when no coaching can take place. Spring ball can be full contact.
That is the general idea of what we do here.
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Post by shocktroop34 on Mar 25, 2008 7:36:01 GMT -6
That's a great idea. Starting after the basketball season and before track really gets going. Thanks...keep them coming. Any details (even the small details) could really help.
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Post by airraider on Mar 25, 2008 7:37:06 GMT -6
Fellas, I'm currently in a state that has no spring football (MD). I belive that our state could implement spring ball with the right amount of preparation, organization, and support. I would like input from other states that have spring ball. What is your format? How many days? What month do you start? How many padded days? What hurdles might we face (besides conflicting with other spring sports)? What rules do you have to follow? Do you have any paper work, documents, or files that you might be able to share? I'd like to generate support from other coaches in our state, but I'd like to have some ducks in line first. Thanks for any help guys. -Shock Here in Louisiana we have 15 days starting on Aug 21. During those 15 days, we are allowed to play an intrasquad scrimmage and one against another school. It can also be done as a 3 way scrimmage. |
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Post by coachdawhip on Mar 25, 2008 7:57:48 GMT -6
we have 13 days to do 10 practices, in GA you have until school gets out.
Most schools here have theirs in May.
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Post by justwingit on Mar 25, 2008 8:03:40 GMT -6
Missouri - no spring ball --- but pretty much unlimited "open gym". Coaches can do almost anything in "open gym".
As a track coach I know I would be against spring ball...
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Post by williamcrehan on Mar 25, 2008 8:18:21 GMT -6
We meet, starting in January, every first Sunday of the month. 4 hours each time (skills, drills, chalk talk, film session, lift test, we feed them). We use balls, cones, and shields. Not sure whether or not we would be allowed to wear equipment, but our business guys would be iffy due to liability and reconditioning rules.
New York State.
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Post by swroberts on Mar 25, 2008 8:38:55 GMT -6
We meet, starting in January, every first Sunday of the month. 4 hours each time (skills, drills, chalk talk, film session, lift test, we feed them). We use balls, cones, and shields. Not sure whether or not we would be allowed to wear equipment, but our business guys would be iffy due to liability and reconditioning rules. New York State. Are there any rules in NYS that you know of regarding off season practices. Is there a document you know of that spells out the policies? Thanks |
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Post by fbdoc on Mar 25, 2008 8:57:53 GMT -6
Florida has spring football for 20 days in May. You can go pads, no pads, have a scrimmage, or play a full game. Track season is over (State Meet) for the big schools by the first week of May although Regional and State Baseball can be a conflict.
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Post by highball007 on Mar 25, 2008 9:26:38 GMT -6
Not exactly sure what the rules are in Oregon. I have only been coaching at the High school Level for 2 years now. Last spring at my high school, we had full pads M/W/F. The only rule was that we had to wait for track and baseball to be done, that is usually around May 22nd for track and June 1st for baseball. Some schools start early and some schools don't do it at all. The OSAA organization does not police it very much!
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Post by coachbdud on Mar 25, 2008 9:29:59 GMT -6
in CA we get 10 days of pracice, no pads
we can start as early 2 mondays before memorial day( May 12th this year)
we choose to start a week later on May 19th because that is when baseball is over so we can get ALL of our guys out to spring ball
we pretty much use this to start getting basics of oursystem implemented, do a lot of teaching to the new Var guys, some review for the returners. Basic drills, a little bit of team on air, or against a D holding shields after a few days when we sart picking up the plays
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Post by shocktroop34 on Mar 25, 2008 14:55:45 GMT -6
Great replies. This is helping a great deal. A couple more questions: 1) Anyone from TX out there? Alabama? 1a. What is the most northern state that has a legitimate spring football period? 2) Could anyone fwd a spring football policy from their state website? (if I could show our people something official, it would help our momentum) 3) Do you think it's best to try and go early in the spring (right after basketball/wrestling) or wait until track/baseball are finished. Keep chiming in guys, all of your input is appreciated (i'm taking serious notes here)  -Shock |
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Post by jhanawa on Mar 25, 2008 16:15:51 GMT -6
How it should be:
Football is allotted the same amount of season and "off season" time as basketball and baseball, you know, the year round sports that are ok to play in the "off season" under the guise of "club sports" in HS team uniforms at HS facilities with HS refs.
I'd think 16 practices/4 weeks of full pads in the spring and passing league for a few weeks in the summer aught to suffice in my idea dream world....
In reality, in AZ, you get a few weeks in shorts and some passing league in the summer. This neglect of football here by the AIA has opened the gate to private leagues, which have formed here and are now having some HS's kids/coaches unofficially participate in them with their lower level kids. It will be interesting to see where it ends.
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Post by moon on Mar 25, 2008 16:17:18 GMT -6
Not quite sure what the rules are in WA but for the last several years we begin spring ball the monday or tuesday after spring sports championships. We will practice for two weeks, then either go too or host a jamboree with several other schools (full pads and officials). I also believe we are allowed to practice during the summer up until Aug. 1, then there is a 20 or so day grace period where we can't coach.
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Post by coachbdud on Mar 25, 2008 17:45:07 GMT -6
do not do it in the winter, kids are going to forget half of what you teach by the summer, plus all of the other sports coach;s are gonna be pissed at you for interfering with the kids at that time.
It is best to do it after the last spring sport is over, that way none of your athletes are occupied with committements to other sports they might be playing and the info you teach will be freshest in the kids minds when you start your summer practices
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Post by CoachDaniel on Mar 25, 2008 22:32:17 GMT -6
VA has no spring practice. We're not supposed to sniff a football except a few passing leagues between now and August. I grew up in GA, and like coachdawhip said it was in May, prom was on the first Saturday of spring practice and the spring game was the following Friday. Two weeks. Our baseball team won or played for a state championship a couple of times, the baseball players never participated in spring practice.
We hit, from day one to day 10, all the time. Killed each other, never taken so many Aleve in my life. This was about 10 years ago.
I remember a few kids who were always eligible for spring practice, never eligible for the season.
Would love 10 days of organized, no pads, spring practice now. The pads are pointless, 4 months out from the season.
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Post by coachwoodall on Mar 26, 2008 7:02:46 GMT -6
According to the SC High School League rule book: (can be found at www.schsl.orgTen days of spring practice with limited contact will be permitted between the last 30 calendar days of school and the first ten calendar days after the closing of school. These days do not have to be consecutive but they must be documented. Shoulder pads and sleds may be used all 10 days. There is to be no player to player contact during this spring practice period unless the head coach has attended a clinic or has reviewed a tape indicating what type contact may take place. Additional regulations are found on B-5. There is a move to go to having 3 days of just helmets and then 7 days of full pads. If instituted, will take effect this spring. There still will be no intersquads scrimmages. |
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Post by mitch on Mar 26, 2008 9:27:16 GMT -6
Oklahoma
After all sports are done in the spring (usually the large school state golf tournaments), you have 10 days, two hours a day of full pad spring practice that must be completed by June 1st. You can't have interschool scrimmages.
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Post by biggroff on Mar 27, 2008 12:38:57 GMT -6
Illinois has no spring practice.
BUT......25 days of contact with the coaches are allowed during the summer (June and July). During those 25 days you can do almost whatever you want as long as you don't take any player to the ground. You can get your whole offense and defense in before double sessions start.
Most High schools in Illinois have some type of summer camp 3 or 4 days a week during the summer.
I would much rather have 25 days of summer football than have 10 days of spring football
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Post by bigballsincowtown on Mar 27, 2008 13:02:24 GMT -6
texas 30 calendar dyas to get in 18 practices (excluding Sundays)
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Post by jackedup on Mar 27, 2008 19:14:28 GMT -6
Shock,
I'm not sure where you're at in MD but I too am from MD. And just recently the head of MD state coaches association brought the idea of out of season coaching to the MPSSAA for voting and it was denied due to (and i'm paraphrasing here) equity of sports. What they don't understand is that soccer, volleyball, bball, baseball, etc all have AAU leagues out of season and because they are not school affliated, there is no rules against it. Football seems too difficult to organize into an AAU league. It sucks!
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Post by shocktroop34 on Mar 28, 2008 14:37:23 GMT -6
Again, Wow! Lot's of great feedback.
For starters, once I think I have the format down in my head, I get another response that sounds even better. I was always amazed me that Illinois (biggroff) was so close to MI, yet light years ahead as far as their football format went. From what I can gather, Ill. is one of the few northern states that has some type of contact in place for the "off season" or summer. I'm wondering about Indiana and Ohio. I say this because I believe that if more northern states implemented an spring or summer period, then it would give momentum to east coast states like ourselves.
I too wouldn't mind having some days in the summer as opposed to only a few in the spring, with a long layoff. However, at this point, I think most of us in MD would take anything.
Question: is all that summer contact too much on the players going into the fall? Do they have time to recover from injuries, fatigue, etc? That would be my only concern.
Cowtown: Thanks for the TX response. I had always wondered how they did it down in the "mecca" of football country.
Jacked: If you would like to PM me, we're generating a group of coaches that are willing to do some "leg work" (no squats, I promise), to help present a more complete package to our state. Starting an online petition is among the first of many steps in bringing this to their attention. Mainly help passing the word.
Thanks to all the coaches that responded. If you can think of any other tid bits of infomation, it is welcome, and much appreciated.
-Shock
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Post by staringfrog on Mar 29, 2008 6:12:00 GMT -6
In Ohio, there is no spring football. Aside from conditioning, we are allowed 7 non-contact coaching days to be used between June and July.
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Post by eagle zipper hero on Mar 29, 2008 9:29:11 GMT -6
Also, in Texas, if you choose to have spring practice you start practice a week later in the fall. Only 4A and 5A schools have this option.
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Post by shocktroop34 on Mar 29, 2008 14:50:37 GMT -6
Jackie-
What do most schools choose? And if they start later in the fall, how does it affect their preparation? That's a good tid bit of info, thanks.
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Post by coachflah on Mar 31, 2008 19:35:39 GMT -6
Connecticut:
10 days of spring practice, 3 of those 10 are considered conditioning i.e. not in full pads. Practices cannot begin until after memorial day. Most schools vary which weeks they use, but have until the end of the school year, which works well because a coach can push the practices back to let all spring sports end to get maximum enrollment at practice
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Post by shocktroop34 on Apr 2, 2008 7:52:24 GMT -6
Thank you. You're the northern most state that has responded. I wondered what other schools "up north" had an actual spring football season. We'll make note of this as we continue our quest. Thanks for the input.
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Post by coachvann on Apr 2, 2008 12:23:47 GMT -6
Shock-
I've heard some coaches don't do spring ball bc they want all their guys for the extra week of two a days. We do spring ball and still have 2 scrimmages with other schools ...for instance our 18 days are going on now...we start practice Aug 11 and our first game is Sept. 5.
I think allot of coaches in South Texas do their spring ball mainly so we can be back on the field with the kids...just my opinion and that's why we do it!
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Post by shocktroop34 on Apr 3, 2008 19:53:45 GMT -6
Thanks coachvann. I'm now officially envious. Texas...the promise land. I think I too would choose the spring ball option. That spring itch gets pretty bad around this time of year. Good luck in your spring season and thanks for the feedback. I hope to take many of these comments to our state officials sometime after next season in hopes that it could be considered for the spring of 09. Your input is appreciated.
-Shock
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