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Post by bluecrazy on Jan 23, 2007 7:10:58 GMT -6
How many plays do you all put into your playbook? Do you just run a few from different formations? I liked to expand ours, but I want the kids to run them well. I just wonder if you need allot of different looks? Thanks, bluecrazy
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tedseay
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Post by tedseay on Jan 23, 2007 7:21:43 GMT -6
Coach: Rather than "how many plays?" try asking "how many concepts?" Or at least, "how many play series?"
There should be a logical connection among all the things you use on offense, or else you aren't running an offense -- you're grab-bagging.
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Post by coachcb on Jan 23, 2007 7:25:30 GMT -6
In the pas I have limited my playbook enough that we can hit every play series, every day. For example, one year we ran
-IV/OV and speed option
-Complimentary plays- quick pitch, off tackle iso, toss sweep, counter-dive, GT counter QB sweep, etc..
-PA looks
- 3 step series
-sprint out series
If we weren't running option (time intensive), we would install about 5 running plays in that place. However, I have never run a 5 step series- if we're going deep we'll run a sprint out.
I want enough series in my package to keep the defense honest and attack all areas of the field.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2007 8:32:52 GMT -6
Couldn't tell you how many pass plays our offense runs, but they only run about 3 run plays--inside zone, outside zone, GT. Where the big difference is rests in their various blocking schemes. Our offense is just about straight up 50-50 run pass.
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Post by bluecrazy on Jan 23, 2007 8:33:57 GMT -6
Thanks guys, yes tedseay, I guess I do mean series do you run, but also, how many plays for each series? Thanks coachcb. This is what I'm looking for. bluecrazy
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Jan 23, 2007 8:37:55 GMT -6
There should be a logical connection among all the things you use on offense, or else you aren't running an offense -- you're grab-bagging. I have been guilty of this in my earlier days...run a system(offense) not a bunch of plays! Also, don't necessarily try to "reinvent the wheel" every year- there is a reason the wing-t has lasted as long as it has- it is tried and true. It is okay to run someone else's system as long as you understand it. |
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Post by spartancoach on Jan 23, 2007 8:46:50 GMT -6
IZ, OZ, Counter, Veer Option, Jet, Play Action off each, quick passing(slant, hitch, fade, bubble, rocket), 5 step (mesh, smash, verticals)
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Post by gunslinger on Jan 23, 2007 8:58:38 GMT -6
Remember the old saying..."It's not what YOU know. It's what your KIDS know and can execute."
Most of the offensive coordinators (high school/college) that I've heard speak/or read their material stick with 4 or 5 passing concepts, 4 or 5 base runs, and then build counters and compliments off of those from various formations.
If you watch much college football, you'll have a hard time finding anyone that has more than 3 or 4 running plays.
Usually they run some form of zone, the power play, a draw, and the counter.
If they're shotgun spread they'll add the option to the zone.
Most common passing game concepts: Flat/Curl, Smash, 4 Vertical (with shallow/under/follow tags), Mesh (Both BYU style and Bunch), NCAA (Post, Dig, Shallow cross combo), and Flood (weak and strong).
That's more offense than you can practice right there and we haven't even gotten into play action, boot/waggle, screens, etc.
Another point that I would like to make is that when you are designing your offense don't forget to "think players, not plays."
What can your guys do? Who is your best player(s)? How can you put them in spots to make plays?
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Post by coachf on Jan 23, 2007 10:36:07 GMT -6
I use 5 main series (Power, Crossbuck, Belly, Dive and Counter). We rep those and add what we can in the season. Of course, I have many other things I want to put in. But, if we can not master those 5, we will be terrible. I think being a little more minimalistic (is that a word) is important for our level of football.
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tedseay
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Post by tedseay on Jan 30, 2007 12:18:26 GMT -6
Thanks guys, yes tedseay, I guess I do mean series do you run, but also, how many plays for each series? Thanks coachcb. This is what I'm looking for. bluecrazy BC: Core of my Wild Bunch offense: Fly Sweep series, 6-8 plays {Possible additions: Rocket Sweep series, 6-7 plays Inside (FB) series, 6 plays} Passing game: 8 pass route packages (plus 4-5 tags for individual routes) 2-3 pass-action runs 2-3 screens Total number of plays: 18-35, of which I would generally carry 12-16 into any given game. Others can be "installed" as necessary at halftime, though, since they have been extensively practiced pre-season. |
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Post by tog on Jan 30, 2007 13:12:05 GMT -6
we run about 4 basic schemes, but we can add a ton of window dressing on top of all of that to get it to at least look like a ton more
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Post by coachmoore42 on Feb 8, 2007 0:55:18 GMT -6
During spring we will have 5 run plays (2 in one series and 3 in the other) and 2 pass plays (each one play action of one of the runs). Doesn't sound like much, but run them to both sides out of 4 different formations and you now have 56 different looks. When the season rolls around we'll have a plethora of other things that we can choose one or two from to take advantage of something each week. I'd rather run 4 plays perfectly, than run 40 plays good enough.
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Post by lochness on Feb 8, 2007 5:32:28 GMT -6
Coach,
When we put our playbook together, we design it into run series and passing concepts. So, in the running game, we have our 3 or 4 base offensive plays (Belly, Lead, Sweep). Then, any plays we want to add should be complimentary of those plays (Belly Counter, Lead Draw, Sweep Reverse for example). In terms of your question, "how many plays in each series..." our answer is always to put whatever complementary plays are necessary to keep the base play of the series clear of defenses over-scheming or over-pursuing.
For example, in our Belly Series (double dive), we always have the Belly Counter to keep backside LB pursuit honest. To keep playside invert / SS / OLB's honest, we use either Belly Keeper or Belly Toss (depending on if we have a mobile QB or not. Some years, if we feel we don't trap well, or if teams are keying our guards, we'll install a Belly Handback to serve the same purpose as the Belly Counter. I'm sure you get the idea...structure your series to keep defenses honest and to not allow them to TAKE AWAY THE BASE PLAY.
In the passing game, we have 3 or 4 concepts that we want to employ (Quick Game, Dropback, Playaction, and Rollout for example). We then make sure we have our base Quick routes and a few complimentaries, a playaction for each base series run, and at least one Dropback for attacking different coverages (usually 4 or 5 Dropback passes).
Then we add any "specials" we may want to add for that season. This may be a screen or two, a reverse pass, a flea flicker, or whatever else we think we want to employ.
That is the general structure. With that being said, we are not afraid to put 20-25 run plays and 40 pass plays (OR MORE) physically INTO the playbook. We believe the actual playbook should be as "all-inclusive" as possible. You should not limit your playbook to anything other than "do these plays fit into my system, or is it grab-bagging or bastardizing to put them in?" If they fit cleanly, put them in!
NOW...that being said, we certainly don't EMPLOY or INSTALL all of the plays in one season. The playbook is a manual that contains the entire scope of the offensive system. It is then our job as a staff to evaluate incoming personnel and determine what complimentary stuff we are going to install outside of our base plays. We may only run 7-8 rushing plays and 3-4 blocking schemes in a season, but we may have 20 rushing plays and 5 blocking schemes in the actual playbook.
A playbook is a coach's resource to the offensive system. It is not a practice plan, installation guide, or game plan. Those are the places where you define the scope of your offense during a given season.
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