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Post by dacoordinator on Oct 26, 2010 10:01:17 GMT -6
Ran into this problem this year. Good players too. but when we told him he was going to play varsity, im guessin he ran home to tell his parents and they said he was not going to play. me personally if my son in the 9th grade came home and told me he was going to play varsity I'd be like damn right. What to do?
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Post by phantom on Oct 26, 2010 10:05:28 GMT -6
Ran into this problem this year. Good players too. but when we told him he was going to play varsity, im guessin he ran home to tell his parents and they said he was not going to play. me personally if my son in the 9th grade came home and told me he was going to play varsity I'd be like {censored} right. What to do? What is there to do? If the parents really don't want them to play varsity then they don't play varsity.
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Post by dacoordinator on Oct 26, 2010 10:13:00 GMT -6
Phantom, we didn't but he could of been a good player for us this year rather than on JV. Its also like a trust thing there, like that parents dont trust us. my coach said in all of his 30+ years coaching he has never had that happen.
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Post by phantom on Oct 26, 2010 10:22:38 GMT -6
Phantom, we didn't but he could of been a good player for us this year rather than on JV. Its also like a trust thing there, like that parents dont trust us. my coach said in all of his 30+ years coaching he has never had that happen. We've had it happen once or twice. It sucks but there isn't anything you can do about it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2010 10:47:51 GMT -6
Agree with Phantom. We had this issue too this year. It sucks, but don't force them to play varsity if their parents don't want them too, because then you may damage the program as the parents next move will be to not let them play AT ALL.
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Post by coachbrek on Oct 26, 2010 10:52:04 GMT -6
The first year I coached I ran into this problem, I begged the kids to go out for football, real good kids but the parents did not want the kids to play varsity.
The head varsity coach was peeved but I talked him into letting it slide and they just played freshman ball. Both kids turned out to be all conference players their senior year.
If given the ultimatum to to play varsity or quit they would have quit and probably for good.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2010 10:54:45 GMT -6
You can let them play down, or not play, but I wouldn't forget it. I would let it weigh in my thoughts, esp. if they were neck and neck in battle for a starting position in subsequent seasons. I don't think the inmates need to run the asylum....
Duece
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Post by coachorr on Oct 26, 2010 11:55:44 GMT -6
Is it a trust issue? Or is it a safety issue? Perhaps the parents don't have very good insurance and do not want to run the risk of a younger player getting hurt in a bigger environment.
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Post by Boltar on Oct 26, 2010 13:04:31 GMT -6
Bet the JV coach is happy!
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Oct 26, 2010 13:18:15 GMT -6
1. Have a face-to-face sit down with the parents. Bring everythign to the table- pose it as what's best for the kids and the program. If trust is an issue then they don't trust that you have their best interests in mind.
2. If they continue to refuse then you have to decide whether to play them JV or not. Either way, you can't force him to play varsity. At this point he is either a JV player/backup or his parents pull him from the program.
3. remind them that he has earned a varsity spot- if he wants to play it will be at that level and no where else. You have final say in that. What about the JV kid he would be bumping out? Not fair for that kid either...
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Post by wingt74 on Oct 26, 2010 13:18:38 GMT -6
are we talking about a 6' 2" 250lb lineman or a 150 running back?
Either way, guess it doesn't matter. Parents are the boss. Can talk to them, but, I lets say he does get hurt...wouldn't want that on my conscience.
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Post by coachcb on Oct 26, 2010 15:34:39 GMT -6
I coached in a large program where a freshman and his parents didn't even want him to play JV (we had freshman and froshmore teams). The coaches put up a fight about it; dumb move. They p-ssed the parents off, the kid didn't come back out for football the next year, and the program was down a kid that probably would have been an all state OT.
There's stuff you can control and stuff you can't; this is something that you absolutely cannot control.
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Post by brophy on Oct 26, 2010 20:27:45 GMT -6
Usually, you talk to the parents before moving a fr up to varsity. Most often, if you're moving the kid up, its because he's a stud and the parents agree
And if he isn't a guaranteed starter on varsity then its a waste to bring him up in the first place
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Post by coachorr on Oct 26, 2010 22:21:42 GMT -6
Usually, you talk to the parents before moving a fr up to varsity. Most often, if you're moving the kid up, its because he's a stud and the parents agree And if he isn't a guaranteed starter on varsity then its a waste to bring him up in the first place Exactly, why would you want to pack that luggage for your trip? Players are a package deal.
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Post by seagull73 on Oct 27, 2010 7:36:33 GMT -6
He plays Varsity or doesn't play at all. You can't let parents make program decisions. They are in control of their kid but you are in control of your program. If you let parents / players make program decisions it will never stop.
Think about this:
I don't want my son to play RB because you have bad offensive line.
I don't want my son to practice today because it is too hot outside.
Both possible safety issues.
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Post by wingt74 on Oct 27, 2010 8:28:27 GMT -6
He plays Varsity or doesn't play at all. You can't let parents make program decisions. They are in control of their kid but you are in control of your program. If you let parents / players make program decisions it will never stop. Think about this:I don't want my son to play RB because you have bad offensive line. I don't want my son to practice today because it is too hot outside. Both possible safety issues. Easier said than done. The parents hold the trump card - Pull kid from the team. You play hardball, you might loose a player not to mention have a parent now bad mouthing the program.
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Post by brophy on Oct 27, 2010 9:12:34 GMT -6
Its an easy sell if the kid is starting (better competition, perfect milieu for growth, and (if he IS that much of a stud) more recruiting attention), so why make it harder than it needs to be? We've done this in the past (call parents) and the call itself is enough to sell the parents, let alone listing the benefits (sales) pitch.
I guess I don't understand the delusion of complete autonomy (that is rare in most programs, let alone coaches on this board). Sure its your program and you dictate what happens, but power thrusting "because you can" seems to be counter-productive to program needs. The constant setting up parents as enemies (they can do this well enough on their own, they don't need our help), by laying down gauntlets and ultimatums at every turn doesn't benefit anyone.
If you "need" the kid at varsity just because you didn't develop any other athletes, or you ran off the ones that could've helped you or because you want 'depth'....neither of those reasons would be compelling enough for the kid to miss out on a year of positive reinforcement in Freshman ball (players play for each other, not coaches. He likely will be put in an environment on a team with no friends)
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Post by dacoordinator on Oct 27, 2010 10:02:20 GMT -6
The Kid is a sophmore, that I am referring too. he is a receiver and is better than any receiver we have on Varsity right now real fast and quick. I mean we just let him play JV, its not a big deal but like I said this is rare for us as a staff.
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Post by k on Oct 27, 2010 11:46:08 GMT -6
My senior year in high school we had a kid who didn't want to play varsity. His father said he would quit instead of play varsity.
He rushed for 1,300 yards as a freshman in high school and then was a two way starter (in the modern era) for a top ten big ten school as a freshman in college. Yeah he was a monster.
One thing I've noticed as a coach is that it isn't that they don't want to "play varsity" but that they want to "play with their friends."
My captains this year practiced with varsity not the freshman and were really good and SHOULD have started but they were hesitant to play varsity cause they wanted to play with their friends they have played with since they were eight. Our solution was to let them practice with the varsity and play as needed in the varsity/jv games but let them play with the freshmen. So we lost two players for that day of practice. No biggy.
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Nov 3, 2010 13:14:44 GMT -6
There is something to be said for allowing kids to come up playing with their friends. We will run into this next year- do we breakup a REALLY good freshman squad and let some of the dudes play spot-duty varsity, or do we try to keep their cohesive mojo going and let them dominate JV schedule together? It's a tough one and I find myself leaning toward the latter...
Let there be only one sacrifical lamb...and don't ruin a kid by forcing him into a losing situation against better competition. It turns these kids off quickly...
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Post by dc207 on Nov 3, 2010 17:46:27 GMT -6
First off - playing time, what level they play - that's up to me, not the parents. If I want the kid to play Varsity - then I think he's ready to play Varsity, I wouldn't put him out there otherwise. If the parents disagree with that, then he can go play on their team. It's really not up for debate, I was hired to coach, it's my job, I know what I'm doing. That particular tail will not wag this dog.Been there. Also - on the "parent may not let him play at all" theme - yea, SO WHAT. If that kid gets a concussion, you're missing him anyway. 1 guy is not that important. Oh yea, I know there are some guys who are just irreplacable...whatever. There ain't no one that's irreplacable player or coach. That's sorta my first thought. We had this issue with a freshman OLB once. His dad was told he was on varsity, and practice was at 3:00. He showed up. If he hadn't showed up, that would've meant he had quit. His call. He was the best OLB in the program as a freshman (we weren't any good that year). Started three more years and was a pretty good player for us, making all-conference his senior year.
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Post by dc207 on Nov 3, 2010 17:50:39 GMT -6
There is something to be said for allowing kids to come up playing with their friends. We will run into this next year- do we breakup a REALLY good freshman squad and let some of the dudes play spot-duty varsity, or do we try to keep their cohesive mojo going and let them dominate JV schedule together? It's a tough one and I find myself leaning toward the latter... Let there be only one sacrifical lamb...and don't ruin a kid by forcing him into a losing situation against better competition. It turns these kids off quickly... Also a good point here. At times, we do need to just let a group stay together because of their potential. I agree. It is hard to think that way if you're in a tough stretch, or a tough season. But I think once that decision has been made by the HC, that is his decision. It's a tough call.
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Post by dhooper on Nov 4, 2010 10:24:24 GMT -6
Coach had that problem this year. SCOUT team SCOUT team.
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