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Post by coachmathis on Sept 12, 2007 8:00:53 GMT -6
The NFL has confirmed that the Patriots were video taping signals. My questions is do you guys think that this is cheating and should the head coach be labeled a cheater? And do u ever look across the field and try and steal signs or if you are in the booth try and listen to what the other team is saying? I've never tried to steal signs or listen in on what the other team says in the booth. I have looked at the other side line and saw the coach talk to specific players during an offensive huddle and warn my kids to watch those players but Ive never stolen a sign or even wanted to. In my eyes that is cheating and bad for sports. I mean you already know what they are going to run for the most part through film and scouting.
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chs96
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Post by chs96 on Sept 12, 2007 8:17:45 GMT -6
stealing signals is part of the game....but using video is cheating.
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Post by coachsky on Sept 12, 2007 9:01:09 GMT -6
I guess I have always assumed that there is some form of stealing signs going on at the College and Pro levels. They have a lot of resources. When you start to use technology or spy techniques to figure that stuff out you are crossing the line. I'd be shocked if most NFL teams didn't engage in trying to stealing signs. Doing it from your bench is pretty blatent.
We were in a game and the opposing coach would call a number and a color to his QB. It didn't take too long before my defensive captains figures out which two colors where left and which two colors were right. Then they figured out what numbers were ISO, Power, Toss Sweep, and Trap. They figured out all numbers in the twenties were passes. Needless to say we shut them down in the second half.
It's not something we spend anytime with at the HS level. We use shifts and motion to try and figure out coverages. If we noticed or heard some calls that were very obvious we might pay attention. I'll guarantee the kids would probably pick it up quicker than the coaches. One of the last thing I'm looking at in a game is the opponents sideline.
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Post by spreadattack on Sept 12, 2007 9:21:34 GMT -6
I guess the issue is where you have the cameras. If you're in the stands or on your own sideline there's not much that can be done. But the issue was where they put it.
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Post by phantom on Sept 12, 2007 9:29:50 GMT -6
1. Since the league is deciding how to discipline the Patriots it's obviously against the rules.
That makes it cheating. By definition, one who cheats is a cheater.
2. Visually stealing signs that are openly given is not cheating. In my experience, though, it's
usually of limited value, a distraction, and a waste of time.
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Post by brophy on Sept 12, 2007 9:31:41 GMT -6
it was talked about last year to allow a defensive captain a helmet radio receiver, like the offenses.
THAT would eliminate any 'defensive signals', altogether.
I still don't know why these guys don't use wristbands.
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Post by Yash on Sept 12, 2007 10:54:45 GMT -6
I've watched the other teams sidelines and looked at the dry erase board they were using to signal in plays. I don't spend time trying to pick up signals or anything like that. But if you visually display a number that corresponds with a play, I'm goign to keep track of that. I've also listened for the other coach yelling in a wristband number. Video taping is cheating though.
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Post by eickst on Sept 12, 2007 11:10:21 GMT -6
If I used wrist coaches I would have 4 ways to call each play and I would have a different card for each quarter. Why would anyone bother to figure that out when they change all the time?
Stealing signals is part of the game, that's why they change so often or give fake ones. Nothings better than calling something, having the other coach think they know where it's going and then have a totally different play come out and get them all red faced.
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barnone
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Post by barnone on Sept 12, 2007 11:27:43 GMT -6
I know this thinking wont really apply to NFL, but my opinion on it with HS ball is even if you know it is comming you still have to stop it. Here in Oklahoma we have HS team that has won several State Championships and I would bet thier offensive playbook may have 10 plays in it. Thing with those cats they could line up and tell you we are running ISO right here and still pick up 5-7 yards on it. That is the mentality I want my oline to have....It is a slow process, but hopefully we will get there.
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Post by eickst on Sept 12, 2007 11:40:24 GMT -6
I have done that in a couple of scrimmages, where I call for everyone's eyeballs and call the play with the defense lined up and ready to go. It's so satisfying and makes you so proud when the def knows what's coming and the team still picks up yards.
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