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Post by wolfden12 on Oct 17, 2010 19:45:52 GMT -6
I am always looking to become a better coach. I am struggling to find an area where the most knowledge can be grasped learning schemes, positions, and drills. Where do you coaches feel provides the most insight in becoming more knowledgable?
1. Clinics 2. Other high school coaches 3. College coaches 4. Books 5. Videos 6. Internet/Coaching forums (this site)
Any help is greatly appreciated.
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Post by Coach Huey on Oct 17, 2010 20:10:09 GMT -6
I prefer the 1-on-1 with coaches. Visiting their practices, or talking with them about the specifics of their schemes.... their methods of teaching those schemes, drills, etc.
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Post by brophy on Oct 17, 2010 20:36:14 GMT -6
Where do you coaches feel provides the most insight in becoming more knowledgable? where? In conflict (and competition) Hearing or reading answers is one thing (just mimic what others do), but it doesn't give you answers just a model. You can get a ton of 'knowledge' if you have to come up with the answers and what-fors yourself when someone challenges you/shakes up the way you've always seen things Yes, the one-on-one is invaluable. It helps if you have the questions (not just basic ones, but specific issues) already. If you want to coach better, visit colleges
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Post by phantom on Oct 17, 2010 20:42:49 GMT -6
I am always looking to become a better coach. I am struggling to find an area where the most knowledge can be grasped learning schemes, positions, and drills. Where do you coaches feel provides the most insight in becoming more knowledgable? 1. Clinics 2. Other high school coaches 3. College coaches 4. Books 5. Videos 6. Internet/Coaching forums (this site) Any help is greatly appreciated. All of the above. I prefer visits to clinics but when you're starting out broad-based clinics are a good source of general knowledge. Visiting colleges and HS programs is a great way to learn program administration and practice planning. For technique stuff I like videos but for scheme and program stuff books are better, IMO. The internet is helpful, especially with pointing you in the right direction and answering specific questions.
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Post by lochness on Oct 18, 2010 6:17:26 GMT -6
We visited a local small college nearby for spring ball, and it was very productive.
I'd recommend that much more than going to some big flashy D1 school where half of what they do and say won't translate to what you do anyway. We leared some interesting stuff about practice organization, drills, etc.
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Post by flingt on Oct 18, 2010 7:53:51 GMT -6
Years ago I was coaching Wr's at a DIII school and wanted to know more. I picked up the phone and called the SEC school in our state and got a 1 on 1 with the WR coach there. I learned more in those 3 hours than I could learn in 3 years on my own. He was great to talk to and I could tell he really enjoyed coaching, because he was such a great teacher to me.
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Post by wingt74 on Oct 18, 2010 8:52:20 GMT -6
1. Clinics
Terrible, I've been to so many clinicis. Only thing they're good for is to get the staff together and have some male bonding time. Sometimes we come away with a drill or a tweek, but just doesn't seem to ever help.
2. Other high school coaches
Having one on one meetings is by far the best; breaking down a fundamental. This is where I learned the anatomy of a hand off, Cover 2/3 LB drop techs,
3. College coaches
no experience
4. Books
Good for the physcology of the game. How to deal with intraverts/extraverts.
5. Videos
Personally love videos for seeing what other coaches who run our offense do...tweeks they make, blocking scheme adjustments. You need a good fundation of knowledge though for a video to make it worthwhile. i.e. watching the spread offense on video isn't going to do me much good because I don't know much about it other than the plays.
6. Internet/Coaching forums (this site)
I find this web site helps me keep my sanity during the year more than anything. Reading about struggles other coaches have helps me realized I'm not the only one who has their stud left guard call you the day before the game saying he can't play because he has back spasms.
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Post by gdoggwr on Oct 18, 2010 9:26:03 GMT -6
one on one with other coaches is by far the best, period (at least for me). clinic talks rarely do much, but going to clinics give the potential for the one on ones with the coaches, so they're not all bad. this site is awsome, both for stress relief and for meeting coaches (more one on one questions).
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Post by mariner42 on Oct 18, 2010 11:44:48 GMT -6
1. Clinics Terrible, I've been to so many clinicis. Only thing they're good for is to get the staff together and have some male bonding time. Sometimes we come away with a drill or a tweek, but just doesn't seem to ever help. I'm looking at the clinic lineup for one of the real big ones around here and there's practically NOTHING that interests me. I went last year because we happened to have hired a new HC who was speaking, so I went up to meet him and talk shop and then drop in on select talks that I was interested in. Most clinic talks are light in technique and heavy in scheme, which isn't really what makes us better coaches. It's nice to know how people are trying attack the opponents, but really, you can figure that out just by really knowing the weaknesses of your scheme. My goal this off-season is to get more 1 on 1 time with local coaches and to make it to more spring practices, specifically Stanford's.
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Post by CoachCP on Oct 18, 2010 13:31:10 GMT -6
I'm a young coach. I just graduated from college, but I've coached, off and on, for approximately 5 years. I've committed to learning as much as possible because, personally, I hate not understanding something. I'm a lot better as a coach when I understand the full picture. If I don't, I lose confidence and I fear that can be sensed by players.
Overall though, and this may seem naive, but I do feel advanced for my age because I've utilized every method above.
1. Clinics - Okay to a point. Maybe it was because I was in college, but when all the other coaches got hammered, I wanted to learn. Maybe that's because I could do that any weekend at that time. But overall, and I learned this in my 2nd year coaching, there is so much "clinic talk/speak" that it's worthless. I only attend scheme stuff when I know I will encounter it/could use it. Best for when you can talk to your staff about how something may be worthwhile.
2. Other high school coaches Good no matter how good the staff is. I've been on a varsity staff which was clearly inexperienced (at the start of the season, I had the 3rd most experience on the whole staff on every level, which was 4. That was 3 more than the varsity DC). And, although we were terrible, I learned so much about myself and how to coach, for better or for worse. I wasn't very good, and I was young and very cocky. After my first year there, I had such a hunger to learn so I could really make a difference.
3. College coaches I spoke to several D-III college coaches in the area about 2 years ago. Just went on a spree. I learned so much. This was, by far, the most rewarding. Make sure you talk to them, especially if they are successful, about their philosophy about growing their kids and building a family. They know a lot about it, because they need to take a brand new team with brand new recruits every year which may replace a current starter. Keeping that family together is very tough but very critical. Finally, and of coarse, ask about technique, drills, scheme to an extent, ect... 4. Books Good for introductory material. I bought so many when I was in that first year at that inexperienced program. I learned a lot. However, very few get to the nitty gritty, which is needed for success. Use books as a place to develop questions for GOOD clinic speakers or for college coaches when you are inexperienced in the scheme.
5. Videos A great visual tool if you need drills, are new to coaching a position, or to learn advanced/new techniques Besides that, eh. 6. Internet/Coaching forums (this site) Best resource. It brings all of the above together for me. Great place to ask questions. Also, when I answer a question, I make sure to read the responses for criticism. Is there a better way than what I provided? Is there a flaw in my thinking?
Overall, like I mentioned, I feel like I'm advanced for my age. Since my age (22) is so inexperienced, that really doesn't say much at all. Best advice, talk to experienced coaches here or in person. Then see if its applicable to you in some way. There may only be one nugget of information that is relevant, but it helps your understanding or helps you teach for efficiently and effectively, then you are much better off than you were before.
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Post by bobgoodman on Oct 18, 2010 17:05:57 GMT -6
I suppose it's like a lot of things in that you can learn best at a knowledgeable practitioner's elbow, but how many such mentors can you find in a given amount of time? So in terms of learning the most, it's a tradeoff between trying to get a little from a lot or a lot from a few more casually and distantly. I'd try for a combination of the two -- hands-on with a mentor you can ask questions of, and picking up bits & pieces from everywhere else. Just keep asking questions and reserve plenty of doubt, because if the answers were as simple as some imply, football would be boring.
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Post by dania on Oct 18, 2010 19:00:49 GMT -6
Take whatever you can get, read it, watch it, and sort it out later. If you are just beginning it is all going to be garble to you anyways....but it will give you something to chew on.
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Post by julien on Oct 19, 2010 5:10:42 GMT -6
My 2 cents: one on one is the best.
I've been with fbdoc the whole past week and I learn a lot about football (sheme, techniques, management, practice organisation, program organisation)...
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Post by dacoachmo on Oct 19, 2010 5:30:24 GMT -6
Small college.
I have done this twice and will try to do more next year. One of the visits I was able to talk to the OL coach, OC and HC.
How to take advantage of clinics...talk to other coaches...track down a speaker. Some speakers are form out of town and "flying solo" invite them to eat with you during the break!
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Post by TMGPG on Oct 19, 2010 6:01:36 GMT -6
I get more knowledge and info from my old high school coaches (most of them are retired now though) than I ever did from a book or clinic. I think you can get scheme from books and clinics but technique you can get from videos and 1 on 1 talks. I am with most of guys on here with saying that going and talking to another high school or small college would be great for you.
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Post by coachbrek on Oct 19, 2010 6:47:44 GMT -6
Did anyone ever take football coaching class in college?
I took it, and my college coach was the teacher, he covered everything from how to keep the wife happy, to bio rhythms of the players, scouting, time management.
He talked very little about scheme. We had to make our own playbook with our philosophy, scheme, defense, and special teams.
Our playbook was our grade and he tore it apart and was very thorough about telling us what he liked and didn't.
Most of the guys in the class were players, so it was an extra hour of film study most days, but the longer I have been coaching the more things he taught in the class are starting to make sense 20 plus years later.
Several of my teammates and countless former players of my old college coach have won state championships, or have went on to be successful college coaches themselves.
I asked him once how many of his former players have coached in a state championship, he had no clue how many. but it was dozens.
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Post by coachdennis on Oct 19, 2010 9:00:57 GMT -6
I know it is fashionable to diss the clinics, but I have always loved my experiences going to them. I am a little bit like the previous poster who didn't drink at the clinics, went to bed early, and was up on time for the first session the next day. Some of the greatest gems I have found came from the clinics. Now, some clinic sessions are certainly better than others, but I can honestly say that I have taken something positive away from every one I attended. I also find that the clinics recharge my emotional batteries, making me excited about the upcoming season.
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Post by phantom on Oct 19, 2010 9:54:50 GMT -6
I know it is fashionable to diss the clinics, but I have always loved my experiences going to them. I am a little bit like the previous poster who didn't drink at the clinics, went to bed early, and was up on time for the first session the next day. Some of the greatest gems I have found came from the clinics. Now, some clinic sessions are certainly better than others, but I can honestly say that I have taken something positive away from every one I attended. I also find that the clinics recharge my emotional batteries, making me excited about the upcoming season. I agree. When you're young, clinics are a great way to get exposed to a LOT of football. When you're experienced you may get one great thing, one nugget, that helps you a lot. It may just be a throwaway line that gets you thinking.
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Post by lochness on Oct 19, 2010 10:21:04 GMT -6
I know it is fashionable to diss the clinics, but I have always loved my experiences going to them. I am a little bit like the previous poster who didn't drink at the clinics, went to bed early, and was up on time for the first session the next day. Some of the greatest gems I have found came from the clinics. Now, some clinic sessions are certainly better than others, but I can honestly say that I have taken something positive away from every one I attended. I also find that the clinics recharge my emotional batteries, making me excited about the upcoming season. I agree. When you're young, clinics are a great way to get exposed to a LOT of football. When you're experienced you may get one great thing, one nugget, that helps you a lot. It may just be a throwaway line that gets you thinking. Yeah, When I was in my early 20's, clinics were THE thing. I saw George DeLeone do 3 hours on man blocking progressions, and it was the best thing I've ever seen (and I'm a backs coach!). I wish there were more clinic sessions like that now. Now, it seems it's either "101 Blitzes from the 3-3-5" or "Fun and Profit with the Spread Gun" and that's about it. I've learned so much more from just talking with other coaches 1-on-1, either in formal visits, or just in the social circles. Visited our first small college last spring. I'm DEFINITELY doing that again. What a great experience!
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Post by falconattack on Oct 19, 2010 10:49:46 GMT -6
Actually learning about football is a chain of events. Almost everyone has hit on one or two links of the chain. Most everything starts at clinics.
Clinics allow you to obtain a broad based knowledge, picking up a nugget or two along the way. Most important part of clinics however is the development of relationships with other coaches of similar interest. From this smaller interest group, you are able to go visit or get together and discuss things that will really benefit you and your program.
As you approach the mid to end of your career, you will look back and see how nicely it all fit together.
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Post by lrader on Oct 19, 2010 11:45:00 GMT -6
When I was in my early 20's, clinics were THE thing. I saw George DeLeone do 3 hours on man blocking progressions, and it was the best thing I've ever seen (and I'm a backs coach!). I wish there were more clinic sessions like that now. Now, it seems it's either "101 Blitzes from the 3-3-5" or "Fun and Profit with the Spread Gun" and that's about it. To me this is the key for clinics. If you're going to go to one, go to the speakers who are speaking about "ways to develop your running backs", or "3 step blocking progression" or whatever. You will get a lot more out of those (drills and such) than you will uot of the scheme things. I think that's why the 1 on 1 time is so much better. You can choose to go only to schools who run your scheme and talk more with them on how to get players better. Instead of what plays they're running
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