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Post by bopper235 on Oct 6, 2007 18:12:03 GMT -6
Is there anyone out there as impressed with what Coach Zook is doing at Illinois as I am? He's a hell of a coach, recruiter, and person. My only knock on him is that his team sometimes seem undisciplined which is the main thing that cost him his job at Florida.
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Post by wildcat on Oct 6, 2007 18:57:14 GMT -6
Game wasn't even as close as the score indicated...Illinois completed dominated a solid Wisconsin team.
How about that rushing game? When Juice learns to put some touch on his passes, the Illini are going to be a real force in the Big 10.
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 6, 2007 20:15:48 GMT -6
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Post by larrymoe on Oct 6, 2007 21:55:04 GMT -6
Game wasn't even as close as the score indicated...Illinois completed dominated a solid Wisconsin team. How about that rushing game? When Juice learns to put some touch on his passes, the Illini are going to be a real force in the Big 10. Agreed. Illinois was totally in control the entire game. Was actually very impressive to watch in person. Juice has improved by leaps and bounds over the Western Illinois game, but still needs improvement if they are to become a true week in and week out contender.
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Post by coachcb on Oct 7, 2007 13:01:14 GMT -6
I always felt that Ron Zook got the bad end of the deal @ Florida; playing in the SEC is tough. Urban Meyers is an incredible coach and I don't want to take away from anything he's done, but he won a NC with kids that Zook recruited.
It's always great to see lower tier programs being turned around. Shows the idiots of the field that coaching DOES matter.
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 7, 2007 13:07:52 GMT -6
cb--while coaching "matters" I still believe it is drastically overrated as a singular determinant for success--and Zook, Charlie Weis, Sean Peyton, Jimmy Johnson, John Gruden, Joe Gibbs, ..(.the list is endles ) all show this. Success some places or seasons and , failures others
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Post by brown40 on Oct 7, 2007 18:48:44 GMT -6
Many of Urban's boys have been getting in trouble with the law a lot lately. Don't get me wrong, I am a Meyer fan, but don't think for a minute that "his way IS the highway!"
I am also a Ron Zook fan and yes, he should have been given a little more time. I think his problem were his asst coaches did not know how to use the talent they had. Granted they were all experienced coaches, but the talent at Marshall ain't what it is in the swamp.
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Post by khalfie on Oct 7, 2007 19:37:42 GMT -6
Brown? Who is responsible for the asst? And is off. coord. is the same now as it was then. I think. His boys were young at Florida... and he was still winning with them... just not enough... they got older and more mature... Urban got the NC... Third year at Ill... and now his kids are playing good ball... some of the best in Illinois for a long time. Coaching vs talent? Chuck Weis is not the example to use... Just be a pretty good UCLA team... where was that coaching in the 1st 5 weeks? Too busy reading his genius articles...
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Post by brown40 on Oct 7, 2007 20:24:54 GMT -6
Sure the Zooker is responsible for his assistants - all headers are and I am not doubting that, but hell, look at Zooker's background as far as recruiting is concerned - he flat out gets it done. His teams underachieved big time, but seemed to be heading in the right direction, but just not fast enough to save his job.
BTW, no the OC is not the same guy - it was Zaunbrecher.
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Post by knighter on Oct 7, 2007 20:26:10 GMT -6
Weis is a fraud...rode the "Belichik/Parcells" train as far as it has gotten him.
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Post by wildcat on Oct 7, 2007 20:42:08 GMT -6
As a long-suffering Illinois football fan, it is great to see that we currently don't have the two biggest laughingstocks in the Big 10.
The other thing that many of us are hoping for is that Zook's recruiting ability and the results that have been realized from that recruiting will stop the hemmorhage of talent to Wisconsin, Iowa, and Michigan. It's bad enough when the top players in the Chicago suburban football factories spurn the state's flagship school but it just adds insult to injury when those same kids go to other Big 10 schools and come back and beat us a few years later.
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Post by khalfie on Oct 7, 2007 20:45:36 GMT -6
As a long-suffering Illinois football fan, it is great to see that we currently don't have the two biggest laughingstocks in the Big 10. The other thing that many of us are hoping for is that Zook's recruiting ability and the results that have been realized from that recruiting will stop the hemmorhage of talent to Wisconsin, Iowa, and Michigan. It's bad enough when the top players in the Chicago suburban football factories spurn the state's flagship school but it just adds insult to injury when those same kids go to other Big 10 schools and come back and beat us a few years later. That's a great point... The biggest joy I have in watching Illini ball is being able to say... That kid went to central... that kid centennial... that kid bloomington, him TFS... that's a CPS kid... those two... one's from Eisenhower, and the other is from Mattoon... Makes me feel all giddy!
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Post by bopper235 on Oct 7, 2007 22:56:45 GMT -6
Brown? Who is responsible for the asst? And is off. coord. is the same now as it was then. I think. His OC Florida at first was Ed Zaunbrecher (Current co-Offensive Coordinator at Purdue). You know from the Coaches Choice Videos. There offense was great but he got criticized for running to many screens so he got demoted or something. Then it was Larry Fedora (Current Offense Coordinator at Oklahoma State). Now it is his former running backs coach at Florida, Mike Locksley is his Offensive Coordinator at Illinois. He's very good. He'll be a head coach somewhere very soon.
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