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Post by boblucy on Oct 15, 2005 19:30:08 GMT -6
As I watched Notre Dame move up and down the field, I was amazed by Weis' playcalling. Certainly having an experienced Brady Quinn was helpful, but watching Weis call the plays on offense and Pete Carroll call USC's defense, I saw some unreal things. Weis used diversity and creativity to keep USC off balance. Weis used balance and opportunistic play calling to eat the clock. Notre Dame's formations, shifting, setting up plays, things USC linebackers and secondary players had never seen before.....Weis knowing WHAT play to call and WHEN to call it gave the Patriots 3 Vince Lombardi trophies in 4 years. Weis himself schooled Carroll in a way I've never seen before. Notre Dame's offense scored 41 points in their only loss. For those who think college X's and O's are the same as the NFL, watch Charlie Weis call a game and you'll see another level of offensive complexity that I have NEVER seen at the college level.....Weis has no tendancies, none. You can't guess. He self scouts so well, no one can guess what's coming next.
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Post by toprowguy on Oct 15, 2005 19:40:21 GMT -6
Agreed, would love to pick his brain on how he game plans. Maybe if I run into him at the Jersey Shore I will offer to buy hima beer so we can talk.
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Post by groundchuck on Oct 15, 2005 20:20:10 GMT -6
I would pay to sit down 1on1 with him for a day. He is awesome. I read an article once that he'll do whatever it takes to move the ball. People said he's a passing guy but the stats point out he called about 52% runs and 48% passes with the Pats. As a defensive coordinator trying to figure out a guy like Weis is next to impossible. As a lifetime Irish fan I cannot wait until he has had time to put together a few recruiting classes. And on top of it all he is a class guy...the story of the dying boy and calling the pass play despite poor field position.
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Post by tog on Oct 15, 2005 20:21:25 GMT -6
i would like to know how he keeps it simple while staying so multiple and getting them to execute
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Post by toprowguy on Oct 15, 2005 20:28:37 GMT -6
That's an art in itself. We all have great ideas but to find time to practice it, run it, install it, a execute it is a different story.
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Post by boblucy on Oct 15, 2005 21:26:47 GMT -6
THE most amazing thing about Charlie.....In 1994 Parcells had him as the Patriots TE coach. Ben Coates went out and set an NFL TE record with 96 receptions. In 1995, Parcells gave him the job of coaching the backfield. How'd he do there?? Curtis Martin won the AFC Offensive Rookie Of The Year award!!!!! Then, in 1996, Parcells moved him again, this time to receivers coach. The result??? Terry Glenn went out and caught an NFL rookie record 90 passes!!!!! Weis knows every single position. And, he can TEACH. If you can't teach, then you can't coach......
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Post by cmow5 on Dec 7, 2007 7:58:42 GMT -6
I was going through old post and found this one interesting. I was wondering if the overall opinion of Weis has changed this year. Has he changed his play calling or is it lack of talent, SOS, inexperience? How can a coach go from a offense genius to a guy that can not call the right plays(according to the media)? If it is his fault the Irish struggled this year then what can we learn from his misfortune as coaches?
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Post by coachd5085 on Dec 7, 2007 8:54:49 GMT -6
great find cmow5---opinions change like the leaves don't they
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Post by theprez98 on Dec 7, 2007 9:10:23 GMT -6
"every game you will have a decided schematic advantage"
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Post by silkyice on Dec 7, 2007 11:36:55 GMT -6
I no doubt believe that Weis is great at X's & O's. But football is not all about that. He just doesn't look like he really is a good head coach. He might turn out to be. Maybe this year is just an abberation. Or maybe he will adapt.
I think that we have all probably seen this exact same thing occur in our own states. Have you ever seen a good program taken over by a new guy or existing coordinator, and improve there level of play for a year or so? But after a year or so, the level of play slowly but surely drops. I believe in these situations most all of the "program" things (strength training, discipline, organization, getting kids out, being tough) were rolling and just a little shake up in X&O's philosophy or loosening up a little helps. In the short run. But in the long run, it turns out that the old tough disciplined coach actually knew what he was doing.
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Post by pal on Dec 8, 2007 7:49:10 GMT -6
If Charlie did such a great job against USC what happened during the rest of the year? I personally think the guy is overrated. He was in a great system w/ New England, and last year he walk in on some studs...I don't see ND doing anything great anytime soon...just my opinion
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Post by MaineManiac on Dec 8, 2007 8:27:35 GMT -6
I think it is important to remember that he had 8 new starters of offense and 7 on defense this year.
I agree the HC is much more than X and O's. Recruiting is key - he has had a Top 10 class each of the last 2 years and already has 7 ESPN top 150 commits this year. Returning 16 of 22 starters next year, I think it will be fair to judge him then; it is the first group of kids that he recruited (they'll be juniors)
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Post by theprez98 on Dec 8, 2007 9:05:25 GMT -6
I think it is important to remember that he had 8 new starters of offense and 7 on defense this year. I agree the HC is much more than X and O's. Recruiting is key - he has had a Top 10 class each of the last 2 years and already has 7 ESPN top 150 commits this year. Returning 16 of 22 starters next year, I think it will be fair to judge him then; it is the first group of kids that he recruited (they'll be juniors) In that same vein, can we then give Tyrone Willingham the credit for Charlie Weis' first two seasons? After all, Brady Quinn and all those guys were Willingham recruits. Willingham was fired halfway through his third season, and they ended up 6-5 that year. |
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Post by wildcat on Dec 8, 2007 10:27:44 GMT -6
How has Ty done since leaving ND?
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Post by Yash on Dec 8, 2007 12:48:38 GMT -6
I love ty willingham and actually though the was unjustly fired at Notre Dame. And I am a huge ND fan. But Ty is the only coach in WA history to have 3 losing seasons in a row. I am a huge charlie weis fan and I think he will turn the ship around at ND.
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Post by cmow5 on Dec 8, 2007 20:01:38 GMT -6
I love ty willingham and actually though the was unjustly fired at Notre Dame. And I am a huge ND fan. But Ty is the only coach in WA history to have 3 losing seasons in a row. I am a huge charlie weis fan and I think he will turn the ship around at ND. We will find out in 272days, 17 hours, and 28 mins. Go Irish! |
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Post by theprez98 on Dec 8, 2007 20:07:02 GMT -6
But Ty is the only coach in WA history to have 3 losing seasons in a row. EDIT: (Oops, sorry thought you were talking about ND) I'm no ND fan, but Ty was 21-15 in 3 seasons! 2002 10-3 2003 5-7 2004 6-5 Only one losing season. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Dec 8, 2007 20:13:36 GMT -6
and ty has been 11- 25 in 3 seasons at UW
2007 4-9
2006 5-7
2005 2-9
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Post by theprez98 on Dec 8, 2007 20:15:03 GMT -6
and ty has been 11- 25 in 3 seasons at UW 2007 4-9 2006 5-7 2005 2-9 Sorry! I misread his post and thought he was talking about ND. |
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Post by MaineManiac on Dec 9, 2007 10:10:46 GMT -6
In that same vein, can we then give Tyrone Willingham the credit for Charlie Weis' first two seasons? After all, Brady Quinn and all those guys were Willingham recruits.
Willingham was fired halfway through his third season, and they ended up 6-5 that year.[/quote]
Sure he deserves credit for Quinn, Samarazia, et all, but also the blame for have zero playmakers that are Juniors and Seniors this year. He simply didn't recruit his last two years.
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Post by cmow5 on Dec 9, 2007 10:38:29 GMT -6
First let me say I am a HUUUUUGE Irish fan. My question is does anyone think Quinn, Samarja(spelling?), Walker, Stouval, McKnight and a few others would be as good as they were if Ty was still there? I remember when Weis first took the Job every one said that there is no talent at Notre Dame(Corso). So did Weis take average players and make them good or would they have been that good regardless of the coach? Second let me say I was and still am a Ty fan. I thought he had a lot of class and I think his firing was to soon.
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Post by tye2021 on Dec 10, 2007 13:06:38 GMT -6
First let me say I am a HUUUUUGE Irish fan. My question is does anyone think Quinn, Samarja(spelling?), Walker, Stouval, McKnight and a few others would be as good as they were if Ty was still there? I remember when Weis first took the Job every one said that there is no talent at Notre Dame(Corso). So did Weis take average players and make them good or would they have been that good regardless of the coach? Second let me say I was and still am a Ty fan. I thought he had a lot of class and I think his firing was to soon. One thing to remember is these were freshman and sophmors when Ty Willingham was coaching ND. As Jr/Sr you should expect them to show their true potential and that was the result after gaining experience under both Ty and Weis. I beleive that Ty was fired to soon and Weis given way to much credit to soon. That being said Weis is a good coach and I expect next year will be another step forward. And ND to be competetive in 2 years when Weis's players are Jrs and Srs. |
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Post by spreadattack on Dec 10, 2007 15:42:23 GMT -6
Weis's contract ensures he will get his chance to prove everyone wrong. Next year and the year after we will be able to judge.
He will go as his QB (if he finally settles on one) goes and as his running game (never really been the focal point for his offense) goes. Hell, Ryan Grant looks like an All-pro with the pack.
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Post by theprez98 on Dec 10, 2007 17:28:47 GMT -6
Weis's contract ensures he will get his chance to prove everyone wrong. Next year and the year after we will be able to judge. So, should every head coach get 5 years to prove themselves? Honestly, the idea of coaches getting fired at the 2-3 year mark, especially in the college game, frustrates me very much. |
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