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Post by coachorr on Jan 4, 2008 10:41:32 GMT -6
Okay, don't throw any rotten vegtables at me, but who would be in your final four? Not really knowing what the matchups would have been, but based on what you have seen.
Here is mine:
USC
West Virginia
LSU (will be interesting)
Georgia
Honorable mention: Michigan, Mizzou and Texas
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Post by kylem56 on Jan 4, 2008 11:02:41 GMT -6
USC
West Virginia
LSU
Michigan (biased here)
HM: Florida, Georgia, Mizzou
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Post by coachorr on Jan 4, 2008 11:09:09 GMT -6
Liberal hater, you are preaching to the Choir. That would be awesome.
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Post by coachbdud on Jan 4, 2008 11:27:23 GMT -6
USC
WV
Georgia
Kansas
I left LSU out because i think they are the biggest underachievers, they have more talent than anyone and lost 2 games, and a few of their wins came just barely. They play down to the level of their opponent and les miles might be insane.
Did anyone see the 16 team playoff bracket that yahoo sports put out after the end of the regular season, it was pretty good. All the conference winners get automatic bids, and the rest of the seeds are filled out by the best teamswho didnt win their conference
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Post by rbsuknow on Jan 4, 2008 11:37:53 GMT -6
don't you guys think you should have Ohio State in the final four since they are gonna win the national championship?
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Post by jet on Jan 4, 2008 11:39:28 GMT -6
How can Ohio State not be on that list? If this poll would have been taken on Monday the Oklahoma would be on there. Kansas while they had a good season didn't even win their half of the Big 12.
There should be an 8 team playoff, 16 is way too many.
No particular order, prior to any BCS bowl games being played
1. OSU
2. Oklahoma
3. USC
4. LSU
5. Georgia
6. WVU
7. Missouri
8. Virginia Tech
Tech because they won the ACC
O. State for the Big 10
LSU for the SEC
WVU for the Big East
Oklahoma for the Big 12
USC for the PAC 10
The other 2 for at large bids.
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Post by theprez98 on Jan 4, 2008 12:35:00 GMT -6
They need to do a sixteen team playoff. All the confrence winners from every Confrence and wild cards Based on Strength of schedule after a complete a season. I agree with this system. 11 conference winners + five at large bids. These teams would almost certainly be runner ups in BCS conferences, which I don't have a problem with. Hawaii, et al, get their chance, equally as everyone else. |
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Post by theprez98 on Jan 4, 2008 12:36:38 GMT -6
Under the new rules, *all* conferences are now part of the BCS. But only the big guys get the automatic bids.
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Post by coachorr on Jan 4, 2008 13:23:18 GMT -6
So how would it all shake out into the Final Four?
Maybe Michigan would not even be in the tourney.
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Post by airman on Jan 4, 2008 14:09:15 GMT -6
there has been talk about the super 6(big 10, big 12, pac 10, big east, acc and sec) breaking away. what you would have is really the old bcs when they did not allow outsiders in.
then the other 6 confrences would be another level of d 1a football.
in a playoff I think th etop 16 teams based on strenght of schedule. this would elminate all the cream puff games played by the big confrence schools. also you would have to go back to an 11 game schedule with no bye weeks and notre dame (all independents) would be excluded until they join a confrence.
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Post by casec11 on Jan 4, 2008 15:53:17 GMT -6
AFTER THE BOWLS
WINNER OF OSU/LSU
WVU
GEORGIA
USC
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Post by cmow5 on Jan 4, 2008 17:00:02 GMT -6
also you would have to go back to an 11 game schedule with no bye weeks and notre dame (all independents) would be excluded until they join a confrence. Hey keep my Irish out of this. Haven't we suffered enough.  ;D |
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Post by kylem56 on Jan 4, 2008 17:49:03 GMT -6
true cmow5 very true
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Post by dogdays on Jan 6, 2008 12:16:05 GMT -6
I would love to see a play off. They are very successful in the other college programs. 'i guess its all about money. I have sort of become uninterested in the bowls games because everybody plays in them now.If you take the top BCS bowls games and rotate those every year so they would get a shot at the national championship.
Place all of the other bowl games below that. Seat the teams by the BCS or whatever poll you want. You would definitely see some exciting football. you could actually probably reduce some off the bowls games played. I can't even count how many they have now. But i definitely think there is enough time to run a play off .
You could stagger the start times so the you could catch the fourth quarter of any game ,like they do in basketball.It would get my attention.They don't realize that this would generate a ton of money. If you win the playoff game ,you use the monies won for travel etc..
What do you think?
What do you think.
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Post by ticobrown on Jan 6, 2008 12:37:03 GMT -6
Okay, don't throw any rotten vegtables at me, but who would be in your final four? Not really knowing what the matchups would have been, but based on what you have seen. Here is mine: USC West Virginia LSU (will be interesting) Georgia Honorable mention: Michigan, Mizzou and Texas That sounds about right. But I think the only way to have a fair way to determine a national champion is to have a 16 team playoff. People might say that a playoff that makes the two teams that makes it all the way to play 4 games and it takes too long. But would you rather have that or a 30-40 day layoff between last regular season game and bowl game? Here's what I think they should have in the 16 team playoffs: The 11 Conference Champs and 5 At large teams (non-conference champions/independent teams) according to rankings. You might say that this may not mean much since the first place teams will know that they're in. However, the difference for those teams playing a home game or in Provo, (Honolulu, Mt. Pleasant, or Boise) in the first round may make it so that the Elite Teams continue to play well towards the end of the season. This model should satisfy the 'Mid-Majors' (Every Conference Champ would have a shot of the title), and the 'BCS Teams' (they still get their second place teams in the tournament). Thing is that it may get tricky at around the 14-16 spots since you would still be limited to only two teams from a conference. On normal years, Notre Dame would be occupying one of these spots. If there was a playoffs this year, it probably looked like this (I don't remember the exact rankings at the end of the season so I'll just throw this out from the top of my head): 1) Ohio State, B10 2) LSU, SEC 3) USC, P10 4) Oklahoma, B12 5) West Virginia, BE 6) Virginia Tech, ACC 7) Hawaii, WAC 8) Tulsa, CUSA 9) TCU, MWC 10) Central Michigan, MAC 11) Florida Atlantic, SB 12) Georgia, AT LARGE 1 13) Missouri, AT LARGE 2 14) Arizona State, AT LARGE 3 15) Michigan, AT LARGE 4 16) Boston College, AT LARGE 5 |
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Post by dogdays on Jan 6, 2008 12:45:02 GMT -6
Definitely a good start, It would be great if we could incorporate the small colleges for the cinderella team.That would only show the other talents plus it could enhance their future scheduling. Look at the Mich and Appl. State game can you imagine watching that.as for the talent it would be great for the pros . My brother is a player personel director and he finds more talent on a not so mentioned teams.You don't have to play for Miami to be a defensive end. It would also let people take notice on coaches to be future head coaches etc.  |
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Post by casec11 on Jan 6, 2008 12:46:59 GMT -6
8) UCF, CUSA ...Central Florida won conference USA, not Tulsa,....GO KNIGHTS!
And Kansas would be in before the last three, but a good start
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Post by ticobrown on Jan 6, 2008 12:54:52 GMT -6
8) UCF, CUSA ...Central Florida won conference USA, not Tulsa,....GO KNIGHTS! And Kansas would be in before the last three, but a good start Like I said, I couldn't remember EVERYTHING like UCF winning the CUSA, lol. And Missouri finnished second by playing in the B12 Game. Maybe a third team from a confernce may be in order (Kansas). |
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Post by spos21ram on Jan 6, 2008 12:59:18 GMT -6
I would not have Ohio State on the list. Ofcourse I would have to change my top 4 if they win tomorrow but right now I would not have them in the top 4. Here is my top 4 if there were a 4 team playoff after the bowl games.
1) USC
2) LSU/OSU depends who wins.
3) Georgia
4) West Virginia
As for Tico's post. Only thing I would change would be the at large teams. There would be 5 at large bids. These 5 teams should be the next 5 best teams no matter what conference they're from or how many.
I like BC but Florida would easily beat them in my opinion so I would have Florida in there instead. Also, remember that the 16 team tourny would be instead of bowl games. If the bowl games never happened I don't think you would have put Michigan in there since Illinois would have deserved it over them at the time. Arizona State was over rated too, It would be a toss up between them and Kansas.
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Post by ticobrown on Jan 6, 2008 13:05:30 GMT -6
As for Tico's post. Only thing I would change would be the at large teams. There would be 5 at large bids. These 5 teams should be the next 5 best teams no matter what conference they're from or how many. I like BC but Florida would easily beat them in my opinion so I would have Florida in there instead. Also, remember that the 16 team tourny would be instead of bowl games. If the bowl games never happened I don't think you would have put Michigan in there since Illinois would have deserved it over them at the time. Arizona State was over rated too, It would be a toss up between them and Kansas. Whoops, forgot about Illinios, lol. So take out Michigan for Illinois for the one of the At Larges. As for third place teams, despite what I just said about Kansas, I don't think that third place teams (or a third team from a certain conference) would deserve to be in the torunament. So maybe that's why I didn't originally include Kansas. |
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Post by dogdays on Jan 6, 2008 13:08:05 GMT -6
Remember you could name each playoff game one the bowl names rotating the name for the finals we still need the money for tv advertisement. I like about a 20 team playoff. can you imagine what they would pay to advertise weekly as they go?
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Post by spos21ram on Jan 6, 2008 13:09:59 GMT -6
Yea, this system could become very difficult and controversal in picking the at large teams. Because how do you do? Best 5 teams at the end of the season? Or Complete season? For instance Florida came in 3rd on their side of the SEC but their losses were against tough teams, one being when Tebow was hurting. Then you have Ariz St. who had a great season came in 2nd in the Pac 10 but would probably get blown out by FLA. Tough to choose 5 teams and not piss anyone off.
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Post by theprez98 on Jan 6, 2008 15:03:45 GMT -6
Michigan had 4 losses and was not even ranked. Replace them with Illinois... |
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Post by utchuckd on Jan 6, 2008 18:14:24 GMT -6
Whoops, forgot about Illinios, lol. So take out Michigan for Illinois for the one of the At Larges. As for third place teams, despite what I just said about Kansas, I don't think that third place teams (or a third team from a certain conference) would deserve to be in the torunament. So maybe that's why I didn't originally include Kansas. Georgia was 3rd in the SEC. Tennessee won the East and was runner-up to LSU. I know UGA was a lot hotter at the end of the season, but by pure conference standings UT is in before anybody else in the SEC. |
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Post by spos21ram on Jan 6, 2008 18:19:10 GMT -6
Whoops, forgot about Illinios, lol. So take out Michigan for Illinois for the one of the At Larges. As for third place teams, despite what I just said about Kansas, I don't think that third place teams (or a third team from a certain conference) would deserve to be in the torunament. So maybe that's why I didn't originally include Kansas. Georgia was 3rd in the SEC. Tennessee won the East and was runner-up to LSU. I know UGA was a lot hotter at the end of the season, but by pure conference standings UT is in before anybody else in the SEC. That's why it would be tough to pick at large teams. Do you go by who you think is better or by conference standings? If you were to pick the better team Georgia would be picked over Tennessee, but like you said Tenn. finsihed higher in the standings. |
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Post by utchuckd on Jan 6, 2008 18:33:57 GMT -6
It's tough to try and make it "fair" and include the smaller conferences and still include worthy teams from the current BCS conferences. That's one of the things about March Madness is that you can include so many teams because you can play so many games in a relatively short amount of time. With the limited number of games you can have in a football playoff how do you include the mid-majors and the runner-ups from the major conferences?
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Post by amikell on Jan 6, 2008 22:07:59 GMT -6
On thing is for sure, Bowling Green would not be in the final 4. (Of Course, neither would Tulsa) WOW Tulsa is ROLLING over them...  at least tulsa is playing defense. to the topic at hand. why don't you just take all conference champs, and then the top teams from the BCS polls who weren't conference champs? Basicall what Ticobrown sady but I say they are seeded according to their BCS rank. a 16 team playoff would satisfy almost everyone, and most of the time would allow the #2 and sometimes the #3 teams from the top 4 conferences (SEC, Big12, PAC 10, & Big 10) to makes it. |
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Post by cmow5 on Jan 6, 2008 23:26:13 GMT -6
You guys do realize that they have not even considered doing any thing like this and already there is controversy on who should be there or not. Even in March Madness there is always the bubble team that got left out that everyone is wondering why? If you go to 16 teams or 8 teams then you will have someone that has there spot locked up with one or two games left and it turns into the pros when team A is playing the backups the last couple of games to "save them for the playoffs".
At least now there is "championship" game.
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Post by amikell on Jan 6, 2008 23:41:06 GMT -6
you mean we're not making decisions that will decide the future of college football? dang.....now what am I going to do with my time?  |
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Post by casec11 on Jan 7, 2008 8:54:27 GMT -6
Here we go:
1) Ohio State, B10
2) LSU, SEC
3) USC, P10
4) Oklahoma, B12
5) West Virginia, BE
6) Virginia Tech, ACC
7) Hawaii, WAC
8) UCF, CUSA
9) TCU, MWC
10) Central Michigan, MAC
11) Florida Atlantic, SB
12) Georgia, AT LARGE 1
13) Kansas, AT LARGE 2
14) Illini, AT LARGE 3
15) Missouri, AT LARGE 4
16) Boston College, AT LARGE 5
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;D
at least tulsa is playing defense.