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Post by dacoachmo on Apr 7, 2008 20:29:06 GMT -6
During Coach Zook's talk...
IT TAKES NO TALENT to
-COMMUNICATE
-know your ALIGNMENT and RESPONSIBILITY
-RUN TO THE BALL
-have the proper BODY POSITION to make a play
-have the proper PURSUIT ANGLE
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Post by cmow5 on Apr 8, 2008 8:17:01 GMT -6
Thanks for sharing that. I will be using it this year. Do you think that would be a good thing to put on a poster board and hang up or is that something that I should just repeat over the year or either way would work?
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Post by darebelcoach on Apr 8, 2008 10:26:16 GMT -6
Was also at the university of Illinois / IHSFCA clinic this past weekend. A lot of good info presented by many good coaches. I found Ron Zook's presentation/lecture to be very motivating and informative. I took notes and wrote down (in caps) the same thing you just wrote "dacoachmo"...thought that was very interesting and I too plan on using it.
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Post by davecisar on Apr 8, 2008 10:39:20 GMT -6
We use the acronym "Asset" to tell our youth kids that it takes zero athletic ability for each and every one of them to be an Asset to the team:
A-Alignment- In the Correct spot
S- Stance- Perfect stance per thier position coach
S- First step, no false steps, stepping with correct foot at the correct angle
E-Efforting on the play to 100% of their ability to the whistle
T-Team mate, being a supportive and sacrificing team mate to all on the team
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Post by mrigg on Apr 8, 2008 10:49:42 GMT -6
What other speakers did you see? I missed one I really wanted to see because I had to get to the HOF banquet and had to get everthing checked out before 11.
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Post by coachwoodall on Apr 8, 2008 10:50:16 GMT -6
I've always heard:
A liability on the field, is an asset on the bench.
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Post by coachd5085 on Apr 8, 2008 11:49:23 GMT -6
During Coach Zook's talk... IT TAKES NO TALENT to -COMMUNICATE -know your ALIGNMENT and RESPONSIBILITY -RUN TO THE BALL -have the proper BODY POSITION to make a play -have the proper PURSUIT ANGLE While this sounds good, in real world applications, I would have to say that only the first two are true statements. While we obviously all stress "running to the ball" as hustle type endeavor, it does take athletic ability to shed the blocks, process all the visual information, and avoid all the traffic as you run to the ball. It also takes athletic ability to take a proper pursuit angle. Essentially athleticism is simply your brain processing the stimuli (visual and tactile) around it, and directing your body to respond. The tracking and processing of the angle is constantly providing new information for the brain to process. Lastly being in the proper body position could be one of the MOST athletic things a player has to perform in a football game. Creating power angles, adjusting center of mass/gravity all while tracking and moving requires a great deal of athletic skill. |
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Post by larrymoe on Apr 8, 2008 21:52:10 GMT -6
While this sounds good, in real world applications, I would have to say that only the first two are true statements. While we obviously all stress "running to the ball" as hustle type endeavor, it does take athletic ability to shed the blocks, process all the visual information, and avoid all the traffic as you run to the ball. It also takes athletic ability to take a proper pursuit angle. Essentially athleticism is simply your brain processing the stimuli (visual and tactile) around it, and directing your body to respond. The tracking and processing of the angle is constantly providing new information for the brain to process. Lastly being in the proper body position could be one of the MOST athletic things a player has to perform in a football game. Creating power angles, adjusting center of mass/gravity all while tracking and moving requires a great deal of athletic skill.  |
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Post by dacoachmo on Apr 9, 2008 20:41:29 GMT -6
During Coach Zook's talk... IT TAKES NO TALENT to -COMMUNICATE -know your ALIGNMENT and RESPONSIBILITY -RUN TO THE BALL -have the proper BODY POSITION to make a play -have the proper PURSUIT ANGLE While this sounds good, in real world applications, I would have to say that only the first two are true statements. While we obviously all stress "running to the ball" as hustle type endeavor, it does take athletic ability to shed the blocks, process all the visual information, and avoid all the traffic as you run to the ball. It also takes athletic ability to take a proper pursuit angle. Essentially athleticism is simply your brain processing the stimuli (visual and tactile) around it, and directing your body to respond. The tracking and processing of the angle is constantly providing new information for the brain to process. Lastly being in the proper body position could be one of the MOST athletic things a player has to perform in a football game. Creating power angles, adjusting center of mass/gravity all while tracking and moving requires a great deal of athletic skill. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Apr 9, 2008 20:51:30 GMT -6
For the distinguished eyerolling brethren, I invite you to counter-points the points given...otherwise  Stifle it Edith |
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Post by dal9000 on Apr 9, 2008 22:57:18 GMT -6
Okiedokes! I wasn't one of the eye-rollers, but I'll take my shot at speaking for 'em: you're right when you point out that it sounds good. And that's the whole entire point: it SOUNDS good.
Put succinctly: that statement is meant to motivate your athletically marginal players, and give them confidence that they can contribute to the team on Fridays if they're called upon. It's not meant to be a factual description of what does and doesn't call for athletic talent on the field.
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Post by coachd5085 on Apr 9, 2008 23:05:55 GMT -6
Fair enough, and that would be useful in an address from a coach to PLAYERS. However, from a coach to other coaches....I would like to come away with something other than "sounds good"
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Post by cmow5 on Apr 9, 2008 23:06:48 GMT -6
Okiedokes! I wasn't one of the eye-rollers, but I'll take my shot at speaking for 'em: you're right when you point out that it sounds good. And that's the whole entire point: it SOUNDS good. Put succinctly: that statement is meant to motivate your athletically marginal players, and give them confidence that they can contribute to the team on Fridays if they're called upon. It's not meant to be a factual description of what does and doesn't call for athletic talent on the field. Could not have said it better myself! |
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Post by justryn2 on Apr 10, 2008 6:15:19 GMT -6
I have to agree with coachd5085; a lot of those things do take athletic ability. Telling players it doesn't is not going to motivate them. Many of them will realize it bulls**t and then wonder what other bulls**t you're trying to sell them.
I'm all for motivating players but you have to keep it factual (for the most part) otherwise you will loose all credibility as a coach.
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Post by groundchuck on Apr 10, 2008 6:33:29 GMT -6
During Coach Zook's talk... IT TAKES NO TALENT to -COMMUNICATE -know your ALIGNMENT and RESPONSIBILITY -RUN TO THE BALL -have the proper BODY POSITION to make a play -have the proper PURSUIT ANGLE My take is 1-2 are purely non athletic in nature. Pay attention to the formation/situation/personnel group on the field and communicate that with your team. Knowing where to align and your job is also mental. Run to the ball: It takes no talent to hustle, but it does take athletic ability to get there FAST. Proper Position: Both. We have all seen kids who look good in drills but did not have the athleticism to break down and be in good position after shedding a block and running at full speed to get thier . Pursuit Angle: Knowing where to go and how to get there=mental. Getting there=physical. There is knowing what do to and how to do it. Then there is actually doing it. I love what Zook says, and I would never disagree with those statements (because according to ronzookfacts he might get me), but I think even if you asked Zook himself he would say it takes talent to win. But you can also lose with talent if you don't do those things right. |
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Post by dacoachmo on Apr 10, 2008 10:05:47 GMT -6
 I'm a glass half full outlook person... soooorry for the eye rolls, just trying to pass along what could be useful, POSITIVE information. not looking for NEGATIVITY which is always a bad thing... THX Groundchuck for the positive and useful input. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Apr 10, 2008 10:51:15 GMT -6
Not quite sure what is negative about calling a spade a spade...
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Post by Rooster on Apr 10, 2008 12:21:40 GMT -6
Coach I like it, and it will go into my little bag of sayings....
Keep it coming.
new2veer
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Post by rbsuknow on Apr 10, 2008 19:05:54 GMT -6
i always thought the best speakers were at Hooters. i'm just sad that i didn't get to attend this year. maybe next year.
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Post by dacoachmo on Apr 10, 2008 19:16:48 GMT -6
After further review, all of them take talent. The first two take talent in the form of intelligence. but really, any topic has gray areas and coaches will always disagree, otherwise every team would run the same offense, defense, and special teams. Thankfully, I posted to provide some tidbit I got from a clinic and fortunately it was disproved before the misinformation could be passed on with dreadful outcomes.
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Post by tog on Apr 11, 2008 22:29:10 GMT -6
Lastly being in the proper body position could be one of the MOST athletic things a player has to perform in a football game. Creating power angles, adjusting center of mass/gravity all while tracking and moving requires a great deal of athletic skill. I agree with this one of the main reasons to do cleans in the wtroom |
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Post by wildcat on Apr 11, 2008 22:33:55 GMT -6
Fair enough, and that would be useful in an address from a coach to PLAYERS. However, from a coach to other coaches....I would like to come away with something other than "sounds good" You know what, then? Don't read it. Don't post about. Move on until you find something that isn't so beneath your golden feet. Why is someone of your infinite intellect even wasting his precious time in this worthless thread? Surely, you must have better things to do than to lower yourself to reading this childish drivel. I suggest that you get back up on your high horse and giddyup to where all the smart coaches who say really important things hang out. |
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Post by safetycoach34 on Apr 12, 2008 8:21:39 GMT -6
I think coach zoook hit the nail on the head right there. I think wht he is trying to say is it does not take much talent to know where to line-up and the hustle each play. and i think that is the truth everybody has the ability to line up correctly and hustle every play
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Post by coachorr on Apr 12, 2008 8:48:24 GMT -6
Getting everyone to buy into the team and therefore contribute is worth its weight in gold. I believe this kind of motivation is a great contributor to doing just that, thanks for sharing.
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Post by cmow5 on Apr 12, 2008 9:02:00 GMT -6
I like it because I am at the 8th grade level. Most of my kids have only played 1 year or it is there first year of football. Some of them are scared and think they cant play. As a coach at this level I need some motivation for them to stop being scared/intimidated and just go have fun and play. I even had a few kids that had some football skills, but no one knew it until we worked with them for a little bit. I have never coached at the high school level so I dont know how it would work and I probably would not use it with my semi-pro team. I just think at the level I coach it would be good weather it is absolutely true or not.
Thanks for sharing.
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Post by coachd5085 on Apr 12, 2008 13:19:45 GMT -6
Fair enough, and that would be useful in an address from a coach to PLAYERS. However, from a coach to other coaches....I would like to come away with something other than "sounds good" You know what, then? Don't read it. Don't post about. Move on until you find something that isn't so beneath your golden feet. Why is someone of your infinite intellect even wasting his precious time in this worthless thread? Surely, you must have better things to do than to lower yourself to reading this childish drivel. I suggest that you get back up on your high horse and giddyup to where all the smart coaches who say really important things hang out. Wrong is wrong coach. Saying it takes no talent to take proper pursuit angles, to adjust body positions based off of the movements of yourself and 21 other individuals is wrong. It makes great clinic speak... and YES if you want to say it conveys the message that it takes no talent to line up correctly and hustle, I agree. But that is not what was said. Again, how is pointing out something inaccurate "negative"? How does my pointing out that something is inaccurate make this "beneath" me. I guess it takes no special talent to be an offensive line coach. Since anyone in high school can presumably read, teaching blocking assignments must be a snap. Also, since body positions are easy, any moron can take any child and make sure they maintain the proper pad level and body position. Since it takes no talent to "run" to the ball and take proper angles, then it must take no talent to use the necessary footwork while tracking to a blocking assignment. Since this takes no talent, then naturally anyone could "coach" a kid. Anybody can coach someone to do something that takes no talent. I guess also, that since all of these things require "no talent" that anything less than 100% grades across the board demonstrate that the coach is at fault. Right? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2008 14:15:29 GMT -6
n/m
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Post by tripleoption61 on Apr 16, 2008 9:15:13 GMT -6
Anyone hear Mike Dimatteo from Hinsdale Central?
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Post by coachcastleman on Apr 16, 2008 10:59:43 GMT -6
I sat in on his presentation on the "triple threat QB"
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