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Post by tog on Jun 23, 2005 21:47:37 GMT -6
how do you do your cadence?
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more importantly, how do you do your quick count or silent count to get the defense offsides? not just in a fourth and 1 when it is obvious and they rarely jump, but anytime?
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Post by Coach Huey on Jun 28, 2005 11:52:42 GMT -6
gazillions of ways people could do this. one thing i think is important to consider when deciding on your cadence is how will plan on handling audibles and the pairing of plays. i feel this needs to be an easy part of the normal cadence. the ol' "down, set, hut" doesn't have that capibility already built into it and one would need a different thing from the qb to change the play. using a short series of numbers or colors & numbers is fairly efficient.
for us:
Move - color, #; color #; hit
example: "Move, Blue 22, Blue 22, Hit!"
the move call is when all shifts would take place (if called). colors are the live or dead words to indicate audible or dummy. numbers would be the new play or a continuation of the dummy color.
snap counts:
sound - go on 1st sound qb makes
after move - go on 1st thing qb says after the move call
2nd color - go the second time the qb calls the color
1 - on hit
hard count 2 - 2nd hit, qb makes hard "hit" call on 1st hit
long count 4 - similar to hard count, but 2nd & 3rd "hits" are said in a manner that appears we are trying to draw off the defense. slight pause after 3rd hit, then go on 4th hit.
for freeze plays we simple call "freeze - close your eyes" and qb makes his cadence call in an attempt to draw them off.
"freeze - check with me" has qb trying draw defense offsides for 3 counts. then he calls the play i have given him in the cadence and we snap ball on the next hit after the color # calls.
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champyun
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Post by champyun on Jun 30, 2005 19:03:59 GMT -6
We are similar to you Huey, in that we use colors as well...
Blue #, Blue #, Set, Ready, Hut
Any number can be said by the QB, unless we employ a "Check With Me" (a mirror play) call in the huddle, then the # of the hole for the play will be called to let everyone know.
Example - In the huddle: "Check With Me" - 42/43 Veer on 1 (on first HUT; if on 2, then second HUT, and so on).
At the LOS: The QB will check the defensive alignment to see which side we wish to run the mirrored play to and uses his cadence like this...
Blue 42, Blue 42, Set, Ready, Hut! This tells everyone we're running 42 Veer.
If we employ an audible for that week, we use the color RED. This lets the QB go through his process of checking the defense and seeing that an audible is needed and then calling the play using the color RED, followed by the numbers of the play set up for that opponent.
As far as drawing a defense off, I will call a "NO PLAY" and this will be called in the huddle. The QB will give the formation and then say "NO PLAY". This tells everyone to sit tight and the QB will go through his normal cadence and then try to draw the defense off with his HUT's. If the Center sees someone jump, he snaps the ball and the QB sneaks as many yds. as he can. No movement, then we call time out.
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Post by SlipScreen on Jul 1, 2005 9:27:38 GMT -6
Champ,
That is our system almost exactly with just some changes in verbage (bump instead of set, different hot color). Have you been spying on our meetings? LOL
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Post by coachcalande on Jul 1, 2005 12:51:49 GMT -6
Being a dw coach, cadence for us is different ...ie, the qb doesnt tell the oline to get down...in fact, he cant start his cadence until they let him know they are ready. they are in contol...ie, we break from the huddle and they just stroll up to the ball, they are resting (some of them never come off the field in the game) so we are in no hurry, but more than just resting, my guys are looking over the defense, they are finding the studs, they are identifying the front while they get set....they communicate to make sure they dont f^%$ up their assignments.....no rush. when everyone is down and set, the qb yells "down!" meaning everyone is down...now, sometimes we wedge on that first sound...otherwise, we pause, then its "REEAAADYYYY! SET-GO!!!" the wings will generally begin their motion on ready. slower linemen fire off on set and go means go. the idea is to get the entire team off the ball together, its more important that we come off the ball then it is if the defense knows when we are coming off the ball...now, we can screw with them in several ways...we can go on second go, or a silent count...or we can send a back in motion and when we hit "go" we just do nothing...they will jump off sides...at least once...later in the season, everyone knows were gonna run "no play"...then we run "no play,....play"....ie, its a no play, if the defense doesnt jump offsides, instead stands up to cheer their own discipline we just run them over with a wedge or power. ;D
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Post by champyun on Jul 1, 2005 14:11:59 GMT -6
Champ, That is our system almost exactly with just some changes in verbage (bump instead of set, different hot color). Have you been spying on our meetings? LOL ;D Now coach, you know I wouldn't come all the way to West Texas to spy on anyone! We've probably crossed paths with some of the same coaches somewhere.  |
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Post by kcdawg on Jul 14, 2005 9:37:31 GMT -6
I like the system of that many have talked about calling the audible (real or dummy) at first, then snap cadence next. It seems that when this important is a 2 minute drill when time is of the essence. Valuble seconds may be wasted on a snap count other than this method.
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Post by gamedog on Jul 14, 2005 19:48:41 GMT -6
We are a down, set, hut here and I hate it because the defense gets the same jump we get and when your ol is slow you get beat too much.
In the past when I was cordinator everone would come to the line and the QB could say "opposite" to change the direction the run play was going. He said it on every pass so no the defense would not eventually know it was a run only. Then he would say "down", color, #, color,#, Hike. We could go on one or two hikes.
Our Steady In The Saddle would be to go through this same progression but go "hike, hike-hike-hike" and if the defense did not jump then we would say the color "Green" and the next sound snapped the ball. After we did this a couple of times the defense would figure out the color keyed to the ball snap, so we would say "Red" and the ball would not be snapped until the QB gave the live color. He could also "tag" it with Sunday, Monday, Tuesday to set the snap on sound, one or two.
Yes we have plenty of time to do all this because as the whistle is sounding from the previous play the next play is coming in.
If we had a run called and the receivers or QB gave a signal for a hot pass the QB would say "Blue" before saying down to tell the line we had a 90 pass coming and they could adjust.
When I call plays I give the play AND the snap to the QB. That way the snap is changed more consistently and it gives us an advantage over the defense.
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Post by kcdawg on Jul 15, 2005 10:52:55 GMT -6
Gamedog-sounds like a plan.
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Post by homerj on Jul 15, 2005 17:50:52 GMT -6
What is your cadence when you are in the gun? Is it different? How so?
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Post by tog on Jul 15, 2005 17:54:29 GMT -6
same
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Post by homerj on Jul 16, 2005 8:37:40 GMT -6
I guess you have to keep it the same when running the jets. Just wondering how other people do it. I've seen people lift the leg and let the center time it out from there. I've seen other people have the qb slap his thigh pad. I've also seen a team lift the leg and the center actually called the cadence from there. Of course none of these teams were running jets, just spread stuff.
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Post by tog on Jul 16, 2005 8:42:02 GMT -6
Homer, at our old place we timed out jets by having the leg, and then a silent count.
I like the way we do it now better.
Just give the leg to start the motion and get through the rest of the regular cadence. If going on two, then hurry it up or start the motion a little sooner. It all times up to be snapped at the same spot
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Post by homerj on Jul 16, 2005 8:59:23 GMT -6
That sounds good. We just started motion with a hand wave, then timed our cadence from there.
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Post by tog on Jul 16, 2005 9:08:19 GMT -6
i hope it looked more manly than this  Actually, the hand wave always seemed to me to make more sense than to get the balance off with the foot raise. You know how good it is to get settled in your stance? then have to pick that foot up like that? awkward. We will look into the hand waving. And try to do it in a manly fashion.  |
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homerj
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Post by homerj on Jul 16, 2005 9:12:46 GMT -6
There might've been a couple of hand waves like that.LOL. Basically, we just pointed at the guy, then motioned towards the ball.
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Post by tog on Jul 16, 2005 9:15:30 GMT -6
I like that even better.
YOU! who me, yeah you! you come this way and run jet!
oh yeah,
I can just see that little conversation go on
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Post by homerj on Jul 16, 2005 9:17:26 GMT -6
I'm laughing.
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Post by tog on Jul 16, 2005 9:19:20 GMT -6
in the spring
we were running a play in team after practicing the jet in groups
the qb did the leg thing
then did it again
then just yelled out "@#$#%#$ BIlly, come on, we just practiced this!" "billy" then ran the jet very well
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Post by tog on Jul 16, 2005 9:31:32 GMT -6
btw
don't you like being able to put pictures into a thread if you want to?
helps with the humor
and helps with SEEING the offense for the pics people put in of plays and such
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Post by homerj on Jul 16, 2005 9:32:50 GMT -6
in the spring "@#$#%#$ BIlly, come on, we just practiced this!" "billy" then ran the jet very well I like a qb who thinks like that. |
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Post by gamedog on Jul 19, 2005 13:03:23 GMT -6
Gamedog-sounds like a plan. It's not as hard as it looks here. We did it 7th grade up and they picked it up quick. |
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