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Post by tothehouse on Nov 6, 2007 12:06:02 GMT -6
Since 1984 our program has won 80% of our games.
This year we are 3-6 (2-7 on the field....forfeit win).
There are a myriad of excuses I can use. From kids quitting (a rarity), to a monster schedule. I'll even point the finger at myself if I have to.
There is a big list of things I'd like to go over with our HC. From lower program development to burning out our players.
We haven't had to play a game to end the season that wasn't priming us for the playoffs since 1998. This weeks practices have been excruciating for me. I don't know what to do to motivate guys that aren't playing in the second season.
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Post by fbdoc on Nov 6, 2007 12:14:09 GMT -6
Sounds like this may be just a hiccup in the history of your Program. I say program because it's obvious from your success that you and the staff are doing things right. This just might have been a year where the kids just were not wired to do the things that the previous classes did, or at least bought into. One little thing that our teams have bought into - at all of our levels, flag, JV, and varsity - is a quote from Tacitus, "As you go into battle, Remember your Ancestors, and Remember your Descendants." We speak of our program in historical terms, namely the graduates and the alums are our ancestors who helped build the program and the little guys - whether they're JV or MS flag kids - are your descendants. We want each year's varsity to strive to maintain the standard that has been set, and the to set an example for those who follow. Once again, it sounds like you are already doing that. Don't lose heart because of one season of knuckleheads.
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Post by tothehouse on Nov 6, 2007 12:32:09 GMT -6
Doc - that is a lot of our coaches stance on things. I don't believe our players understand who they play for, or what they play for. That is strange because this group of seniors were brought up as sophs during our last championship run. You would think they'd understand this.
That is the part that is killing me the most that they guys don't appreciate or understand the history.
Great response Doc.
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Post by spartancoach on Nov 6, 2007 12:34:36 GMT -6
If you asked our parents, its time to fire the staff and start over.
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Post by tothehouse on Nov 6, 2007 12:36:45 GMT -6
LOL Spartan. Believe it (notice I didn't say, "or not") there has been some junk in our local papers comments. It's quite hilarious actually.
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Post by Yash on Nov 6, 2007 12:36:51 GMT -6
Players play, coaches coach and parents parent. Parents are going to say what they want, when they want, usually to those who don't really want to hear it. Unless they are there on the everyday basis of the program, who are they to talk. As hard as it is to do, ignore the parents and do things the way that got you to where you are and you'll be fine.
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Post by tothehouse on Nov 6, 2007 12:40:40 GMT -6
Parents have not been an issue and crazy as it sounds, the players have worked hard. It has truly been a strange year. There is a lot more to this story than I have told. Doc nailed a big chunk of the issue in my opinion.
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Post by spartancoach on Nov 6, 2007 13:00:00 GMT -6
Unless the staff has gotten complacent or lazy (doesn't sound like it), as Greg Schiano would say, "just keep choppin."
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Post by ajreaper on Nov 6, 2007 13:06:30 GMT -6
I'd say resist the temptation to make any whole sale changes- after all viewed historically this is a hiccup in the program. There's absolutely no point in panicking. If you'd just finished your season 8-2 what changes would you think were needed at the lower levels with player development for example? If they would not be an issue with an 8-2 record they should not be now.
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Post by tothehouse on Nov 6, 2007 13:22:09 GMT -6
AJ - that is the thing. Our HC believes in what you are saying. I believe this as well, but I also think some things can be looked at under the microscope. Our JV and frosh did very well with the same brutal schedule...that is encouraging. Like I said, there is more to this, regarding the losses, than I have said. If I post them, they'd sound like excuses.
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Post by aztec on Nov 6, 2007 14:37:35 GMT -6
We have had the same problem on 2 different times in my 12 years with our program. Both years had poor senior leadership and bad attitudes. The next group up each time responded and brought the program back. In the first year our staff split after our HC retired we ended up 5-6 on paper but 4-7 in games. You would have thought the world had collapsed. We stuck to our guns and new we had a great group of juniors who were willing to work. We ended up 9-4 that next year and have since gone 12-2, 9-2 and are now 8-1. Sometimes talent is low and sometimes your player leadership is poor. What we do now if we see a bad apple we get rid of it ASAP no matter how good the player is. It has come back to bit us when we keep the bad apple and before you know it the whole bunch is rotten.
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Post by aztec on Nov 6, 2007 14:40:41 GMT -6
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Post by coachcalande on Nov 7, 2007 6:59:57 GMT -6
Since 1984 our program has won 80% of our games. This year we are 3-6 (2-7 on the field....forfeit win). There are a myriad of excuses I can use. From kids quitting (a rarity), to a monster schedule. I'll even point the finger at myself if I have to. There is a big list of things I'd like to go over with our HC. From lower program development to burning out our players. We haven't had to play a game to end the season that wasn't priming us for the playoffs since 1998. This weeks practices have been excruciating for me. I don't know what to do to motivate guys that aren't playing in the second season. losing brings out the worst in everyone. stay the course and do a big time performance analysis...missed tackles? fumbles? penalties?...
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Post by lsrood on Nov 7, 2007 8:12:53 GMT -6
Tothehouse,
Winning begets winning and so on. Your program has been extremely successful because of what you do and how you do it. Its good to do an evaluation as a staff on the program. Maybe you'll discover somethings that need to be updated or tweaked, but I would echo everyone else in advising against wholesale changes. Sometimes even in a proud program, the players aren't always up to the challenge of upholding the legacy. If your underclassmen did well against the same schedule then I would be encouraged and would look closely at some of the issues you have alluded to. We had some issues ourselves this year with our players who resented the fact that we wanted to build on the legacy of our past teams...they came right out & told me that we were putting too much pressure on them to be successful (go figure). Possibly the pressure of having to live up to your succesful past became too much for this particular group. It doesn't mean that they didn't care or did not want to try or work hard, but they had trouble come game time executing to the level that was previously expected. I know from watching your game on TV that you have a great fan base and a group of young men that try very hard. Your past successes speak highly of your program, so I would tend to think of it as a hiccup, but do the soul searching & evaluation anyway just to confirm it. Good luck.
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Post by tothehouse on Nov 7, 2007 9:23:58 GMT -6
Rood - good points. That is my goal right now. Figure out the main issues to discuss with the HC about tweaks.
I think the season needs a good hard look. Now, losing our D1 type QB in week 3 was big. Having him opens up our offense and keeps the defense off the field.
It might not be major stuff we're dealing with, but, gosh darn, this feeling really sucks.
Thanks for the kind words so far.
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