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Post by gacoach on Jul 28, 2010 10:36:24 GMT -6
Our OC is constantly boo-hooing about something. His philosophy is "if it wasn't my idea, then it won't work". He doesn't like the way the weight program is done during the summer so he won't come into the weight room with the kids and lets the rest of the staff take care of it. He seperates himself from the rest of the staff at every chance, pregame meal, staff meetings, or just sitting around bs'ing.
I've been coaching 18 years and I have yet to ever see a coach like him.
How do you deal with someone this....immature?, if that's the right word.
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Post by wolfden12 on Jul 28, 2010 10:46:53 GMT -6
Hit the road!
Actually, I would try and have a sit down and try to gain some insight into his thinking and understanding his philosophy. Why does he think the way he does?
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Post by airraider on Jul 28, 2010 11:06:10 GMT -6
Here is some resounding advice.. "we are all right in our own minds"
Im sure he is not sitting there thinking.. Im wrong for doing this.. but I just dont care..
Like Wolfden said.. sit him down.. talk to him..
I know I have acted foolish a great many a time.. and never even realized it.. wish someone would have had a sit down with me.
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Post by coachwoodall on Jul 28, 2010 12:43:19 GMT -6
"Everyone but thee and me art queer, and thee art a little queer."
quote from Granny
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Post by touchdowng on Jul 28, 2010 13:11:26 GMT -6
Our OC is constantly boo-hooing about something. His philosophy is "if it wasn't my idea, then it won't work". He doesn't like the way the weight program is done during the summer so he won't come into the weight room with the kids and lets the rest of the staff take care of it. He seperates himself from the rest of the staff at every chance, pregame meal, staff meetings, or just sitting around bs'ing. I've been coaching 18 years and I have yet to ever see a coach like him. How do you deal with someone this....immature?, if that's the right word. If find a way to coach against him instead of coaching with him. He wouldn't have last in any othe programs I have been associated with. |
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Post by phantom on Jul 28, 2010 13:44:09 GMT -6
Our OC is constantly boo-hooing about something. His philosophy is "if it wasn't my idea, then it won't work". He doesn't like the way the weight program is done during the summer so he won't come into the weight room with the kids and lets the rest of the staff take care of it. He seperates himself from the rest of the staff at every chance, pregame meal, staff meetings, or just sitting around bs'ing. I've been coaching 18 years and I have yet to ever see a coach like him. How do you deal with someone this....immature?, if that's the right word. If you're the HC talk to him and make sure that he understands how you expect him to act as a member of your staff. If you're not the HC there isn't much that you can do. F*#k him. You're coworkers, you don't have to be buddies. |
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Post by emptybackfield on Jul 28, 2010 18:22:37 GMT -6
Like mentioned above, if you're the HC it is your job and responsibility to handle this. If you turn a blind-eye to it, you're doing your program, staff, and kids a disservice.
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Post by carookie on Jul 28, 2010 19:24:40 GMT -6
I see this more and more, and to be honest at times have felt this way myself. As it has already been written everyone feels their way is the right way (if you thought your way was wrong you would change it to what you thought was right).
So this guy is being asked to attach his name, and the results of the offense that he is calling to certain things he doesn't believe in. I know most of us have to do it sooner or later, and I'm not justifying his actions, just throwing out there the way I see it.
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Post by eaglemountie on Jul 28, 2010 20:21:40 GMT -6
I coached with a guy like this once and he alienated himself from the kids and coaches in a hurry. He was the DC when we changed our Offense and I guess he thought that we might change our defensive scheme so he almost seemed to start to panic and talked about how much he loved our current offense and it fit our personnel better and how it would hurt his defense to practice against something that no one else ran, etc etc etc.
He stopped doing his daily before and after practice duties and used his pregnant wife as an excuse and even went as far as complaining to the HC that our "language" as a coaching staff became so offensive that he couldn't stand being in the coaches office.
The end result was he quit coaching after that season and didnt even bother to tell the HC he wasn't coming back.
He kind of took care of himself in terms of what to do, but sounds like your situation is close to what we went through with said coach.
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Post by larrymoe on Jul 28, 2010 21:23:27 GMT -6
Our OC is constantly boo-hooing about something. His philosophy is "if it wasn't my idea, then it won't work". He doesn't like the way the weight program is done during the summer so he won't come into the weight room with the kids and lets the rest of the staff take care of it. He seperates himself from the rest of the staff at every chance, pregame meal, staff meetings, or just sitting around bs'ing. I've been coaching 18 years and I have yet to ever see a coach like him. How do you deal with someone this....immature?, if that's the right word. I don't know about the weight room stuff. As a HC that would tick me off. But as far as him sitting by himself at meals, staff meetings, I don't think it's that big of a deal. I've worked on staffs where I seperated myself from the herd every chance I got. I still did my job. I just didn't like them. I'm not going to act like I did. That, and before games they always wanted to joke and eff around. I'm pretty serious before games. So I started taking over the taking stuff out to the field. Just to get away from them. How often you hear of the varsity DC greeting other buses to carry out their stuff for them? |
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Post by calkayne on Jul 29, 2010 0:37:52 GMT -6
Either:
a) the Coach is too shy to make his Ideas public and feels that his ideas are better and hes beating himself up inside because of his shyness.
b) the Coach does not agree with numerous points in the programm.
c) the Coach does not like/get along with the staff
d) the Coach is a pessismist by nature.
Depending on the nature and severity of the boohooing someone needs to sit down and communicate with the Coach at his level. The Coaches are still a part of the Team.
You dont need to be drinking buddies or babysitting his kids, but you do need to be able to function together.
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Post by Coach Bennett on Jul 29, 2010 9:21:25 GMT -6
It seems a question of leadership. If you want to maximize what you've got, don't alienate him further through accusatory questions like "why don't you ever attend the weight room when all the other coaches are doing so?"
If you want to make him better and help the program, ask an open ended question like "in your ideal world, what would the offseason training program look like?"
That said, it's relatively easy to take a hardline and say "do this...or..." and sometimes you need to do that.
However, the season hasn't even started yet and if there's already dissention by labeling him a boo-hoo'er, it's not going to get better unless real conversations start happening. The desired outcome of that conversation should drive the questions.
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Post by juancsusb on Jul 29, 2010 22:57:55 GMT -6
Your head coach should fire him. I fired a guy like that during my 1st year as the head coach. Those type of people are in it for themselves, not the kids.
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Post by gacoach on Jul 30, 2010 15:22:46 GMT -6
I'm the DC on the staff. I am a former HC and he's a "friend" of the HC, so it's really hard to say anything to him or the HC about his behavior. I try to stay away from the guy and I'm glad I don't coach offense.
Let's just say if I move on and his resume crosses my desk, it's going in the {censored} can.
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Post by tog on Jul 31, 2010 9:38:47 GMT -6
talk with the hc about it
if he addresses it--then good
if he doesn't--then go find a new hc or get your own hc job
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