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Post by norcaldiaz on Jul 4, 2010 23:08:55 GMT -6
We have been hurting for coaches pretty badly, but last week our HC was able to hire a coach who was recently starting at a D1 school, and was signed then later cut by the Dolphins. He played WR and has been assigned to be the "Asst WR coach" underneath me. He is probably only going to be with us for 1 season.
I have never had the opportunity to work with a guy with that caliber of playing experience, much less have him work under me. He has no previous coaching experience that I know of, and I will be meeting him sometime this next week.
I know there are already some threads on former D1 and NFL guys coaching at the HS level, but what are some things you coaches think I should do to ensure that I have a good working relationship with this new coach? What kinds of things might I be able to expect a great player-turned-coach will be able to do well for us?
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Post by bigballsincowtown on Jul 5, 2010 8:38:34 GMT -6
i would say #1 is that he needs to understand that this aint the nfl or a d1 college. the amount of time that those guys have to focus on certain things i am sure you will not have that much time. i was able to use one of our former players this spring that is playing college ball now and he was a big help to us. another set of eyes really helps coaching up the 'little things' that win/loss ball games.
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Post by schenk11 on Jul 7, 2010 6:55:07 GMT -6
Biggest help will be another body.
Second is the drills he has used that he will be able to share. Have him show you all of them and use what applies to what you do.
Lessons and the credibility of what he says to the kids about work ethic, perseverance, etc.
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Post by buck42 on Jul 7, 2010 10:10:45 GMT -6
Most guys with NFL playing experience that I have been around think they know everything and have been very hard to work with. A buddy of my was stabbed in the back by a couple of them...just be careful...
Because of my expereinces and my other close coaching buddies experiences I shy away from the NFL guys...they usually are only a one year commitment anyway...I want to build a staff with guys that will be there for the long haul (unless they are able to move up as coordinator or HC, which I encourage)...consistent staffs build winning programs IMO
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Post by NC1974 on Jul 7, 2010 11:31:22 GMT -6
I think this is a great topic. Her are some thoughts
Worst Case Scenario: This guys comes in with the attitude that he knows everything and does his own thing which undermines your authority and hurts the integrity of the program.
Here is how you avoid that IMO: Everything starts withe the HC. The HC should be very clear about what skills, techniques, etc are being taught at each position. Then it is the job of the asst. coaches to teach those skills period. If you have this kind of understanding, it solves alot of problems. Imagine this scenario below:
New Guy: When I was with the Dolphins, we were taught to run a speed out instead of a square out. It was better because it gets you into the route quicker.
Norcaldiaz: I'm sure that worked well, but our HC and I agree that we are going to teach the square out.
New Guy: But my way is better.
Norcaldiaz: Well, our job as assistant coaches is to teach what the HC wants us to teach. Not what we think is better. If you feel really strongly about, why don't we find time to mention in to the HC. IF he likes the idea, we can go with it. If not, it's our job to teach what he wants taught.
Now of course the best case scenario is that this guys already understands this stuff and he comes in humble, and energetic.
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Post by tog on Jul 7, 2010 20:12:34 GMT -6
i was told this by a guy i respect a great deal
"while those nfl guys were in the nfl, we were here coaching"
if he is a good dude that understands the game and understands there are more than one way to skin a cat--then he will be a great addition
if not
it could be a cancer
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Post by phantom on Jul 7, 2010 21:12:56 GMT -6
Let's keep in mind that his NFL experience consisted of some time in an NFL camp and that his job is Assistant WR Coach. It's true that some guys can get an inflated sense of importance from that experience but it's not necessarily a given. Learn what you can from him and treat him like any new coach who's just out of college.
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Post by CoachA21 on Jul 11, 2010 9:57:11 GMT -6
Playing experience is different than coaching experience. Just because he made it to the NFL doesn't mean he will be a good coach. I know someone that was a great athlete and player, but once he got into coaching, he was horrible at it.
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Post by coachorr on Jul 11, 2010 10:43:53 GMT -6
Worse than guys that have NFL experience, are guys that watch the NFL network and then think that that is the way it should be done. Bigballscowtown, pointed out the most important aspect of high school football (aside from great athletes) is coaching the details of the game. For example, a trap block must be across the nose of the football not parallel down the LOS, but since it didn't describe it that way on the NFL network it is either because A) trap angles are not important or B) or pulling down the LOS is just how you do it. Result: trap block gets slipped in a big game.
Charlie Weis went through the same issue at ND. He and his staff initially didn't do enough to teach the details of the game early in his tenure. This may be an overstatement, but it seemed like they just wanted to run an offense and a defense and not take the time to develop the players fundamentally.
This can be apparent as the season wears on and some teams get better and others plateau or worsen. Usually a lack of teaching the fundamentals.\
But I digress. Any coach who is not an arrogant jerk is a welcome addition to a staff, especially one who has a lot of experience.
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Post by 19delta on Jul 11, 2010 11:30:53 GMT -6
The guy was an NFL wide receiver, right? Doesn't that alone qualify him as being a huge a$$hole?  |
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Post by norcaldiaz on Jul 11, 2010 13:51:10 GMT -6
Good chatter, coaches. So far things have been okay with the new coach. Part of it could be that he still does not know our playbook/terminology yet so I've asked him to only focus on helping our guys with their fundamentals, in which he seems to have been well schooled while in college. I am hoping he turns out to be a "coachable" coach as that would free me up a lot to cover my other responsibilities with the TE's, defense and special teams.
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