smu92
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Post by smu92 on Apr 2, 2010 22:17:16 GMT -6
I had a couple of questions for some of you guys.
First, looking back on your first head varsity football job, what do you feel like you were least prepared for?
What was/is the hardest part of your job?
If you had to do it all over again, what would you have done differently?
Just a young coach trying to get some wisdom from those of you who have been there and done it. Thanks in advance for sharing!
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Post by rock85 on Apr 3, 2010 6:39:29 GMT -6
smu92 --
I have been an assistant coach for 20 years, and am a head coach in swimming -- I know I speak for our head FB coach when I tell you the biggest pain in the neck for a head coach (at least where we are) is processing the mountain of paperwork at the beginning of the season: physicals, parent permit forms, emergency forms, collecting pay-to-participate $$, eligibility forms, etc.
The Xs and Os are when you are geared up for, and what you've spent all off-season preparing for -- then just as you are ready to let it rip, you get slogged down because you spend what seems like an inordinate amount of time finalizing all of the required paperwork. I am not saying the paperwork is not important, it's just trying to get 120 kids to get it all in on time with no mistakes, issues, problems, etc.
You'd think after 20 years we'd come up with some kind of "system", but no matter what we've tried, we always seem to run into the same problem...
So I guess one piece of advice is to figure out a way to get all of the "not Xs and Os" stuff out of the way ASAP....
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Post by miami5 on Apr 3, 2010 6:43:03 GMT -6
could not agree more. Every year we run into that same problem, We have kids who need physicals, etc and we offer free physicals twice a year. Trying to get them in is like pulling teeth.
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smu92
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Post by smu92 on Apr 3, 2010 10:01:44 GMT -6
I've been the "paperwork guy" at one of my previous schools. SUCKED.
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Post by huthuthut on Apr 3, 2010 16:48:44 GMT -6
I was a head coach very early in my career. I was lacking in an understanding of the importance of keeping it simple and not having too much offense.
I knew the X's and O's and didn't understand why our players couldn't pick up and remember all the things we tried to put in. We probably run half as many things now as we did my FIRST year as a coach. I guess I was trying to impress everyone with how much I KNEW.
Also, I wasn't prepared for dealing with unscrupulous parents who would do nearly anything to get their kids playing time or eligibility by falsifying documents, etc.
I learned very quickly that there was a HUGE difference between making a suggestion (as an assistant) and making a decision (as the HC).
It's like being a parent, you're never as ready as you think you are when it happens.
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Post by newhc on Apr 3, 2010 18:37:19 GMT -6
I would echo everyone else sentiment.
Keep it Simple, and never ever lose sight of the fundamentals. I guess early on you try to out scheme people but who cares if you can't tackle.
Dealing with the paper work and rules that your county/district abide by. They change often, and make sure you know them. Dealing with recruiting was different, and how to put together the right package for every college that comes through. I didn't anything about this when I first became head coach. It is very important.
Make parents your friend, let the know everything, that way they don't feel like your hiding anything. Less to fuss about.
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Post by coachmoore42 on Apr 3, 2010 19:54:00 GMT -6
I was a head coach very early in my career. I was lacking in an understanding of the importance of keeping it simple and not having too much offense. I knew the X's and O's and didn't understand why our players couldn't pick up and remember all the things we tried to put in. We probably run half as many things now as we did my FIRST year as a coach. I guess I was trying to impress everyone with how much I KNEW.Also, I wasn't prepared for dealing with unscrupulous parents who would do nearly anything to get their kids playing time or eligibility by falsifying documents, etc. I learned very quickly that there was a HUGE difference between making a suggestion (as an assistant) and making a decision (as the HC). It's like being a parent, you're never as ready as you think you are when it happens. Coach, you hit the nail on the head with those points.
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Post by tango on Apr 3, 2010 22:47:34 GMT -6
If you have spring practice and your physicals last for a year take one day and have your physicals during spring practice. They are all there and it will take care of this problem in one day. If you can get the health people to do it. One year we dropped them and coughed as we left the room to stretch for the spring game. No joke, the local heath department had the contract to do our physicals and said it would take at least two weeks during the summer to schedule the last part of the physical. I called our team doc and he said sure but I can't get their until right before the game and we were don't with about 50 kids in less than 15 minutes.
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Post by 42falcon on Apr 3, 2010 23:37:10 GMT -6
As a 2nd year HC I am blessed to have a team manager who does all the paper work, medicals, permission forms, bookings, ordering the works. I can not imagine doing that plus the responsibilities of HC.
This has been an interesting year. It is the first time (before a position coach & DC) that I have actually had to lead and set the tone for the whole team. I remember the past I was quite close with our past HC working along side getting to know eachothers family and such. We would have conversations and he would ask me what I would do, I would always have some response. I can echo the comments that it is one thing to suggest something and another to actually carry it out and deal with the consequences. It is like I have to make sure to think before making a final say on something, the responsibility is huge I was not ready for this. But the best way to get ready is to do it!
Last season I had a group of coaches that I was essentilly given, they were "recomended" by our board of directors & parents as guys who knew the kids and had relationships there. The problem was trust ........... The program had been good we had turned it around from 0-8 to 2 back to back Div 2 championships. The previous HC and myself discussed that this was the year to make ourselvs a true D1 team (then he was let go). So instead of trusting my coaches I micro managed and reacted instinctively and instantaniously to everything. The coaching staff that we had degraded and it was on me. This season I surounded myself with "my guys". These were the people I trusted the people I felt were the best fit. So far it has been amazing I coach DB's, and not once this season did I comment on a DL drill or a LB technique or go over to the offense to make "suggestions". This season has been very little actual coaching and more game planning.
Sorry to ramble:
1) Least prepared for the managment of coaches, egos, players feelings, the overall team message, the philosophy 2) Dealing with the aftermath of poor decisions in the off season 3) If I could do it over again and give any advice: "surround yourself with people that you can work with, trust, and have similar core values" the football stuff X's & O's will all fall into place.
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smu92
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Post by smu92 on Apr 4, 2010 0:14:11 GMT -6
Thanks falcon. That's good stuff.
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Post by buck42 on Apr 4, 2010 11:19:36 GMT -6
This past season was my first and as I reflect there are a few things I will share, mostly agree with those above...
1) The paperwork crap sucks, get it done ASAP, if you can appoint someone on staff to spearhead it allow them to do so...
2) Have clear rules and make sure that the administration and the parents are aware of them...this prevents headache down the line when you want to suspend a kid.
3) Huge difference between being a coordinator and a head coach. The decisions are now on you, that suggestion you made as a coordinator or assistant was easy, but you did not have to factor in all the other reasons to make a decision
4) Be prepared to make that hard decision...make the decision, adjust and move on...
5) Hire a LOYAL and COMMITTED staff. It is better to have fewer coaches that you can count on versus a ton of coaches that are not committed.
6) Most important, care about the kids...my new favorite quote is "They (kids) don't care how much you know, until they know how much you care."
If you get the kids on your side and they are willing to run through a brick wall for you then the rest of the job will be fun...
Notice, I didnt say a word about X's and O's...if you are hired as a HC, you probably have a clue about how to coach the game...of course you want to always get better, and there are better coaches than you....but that is the easy part...the rest of the part is where the magic happens!!
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Post by coachalbert on Apr 4, 2010 16:59:48 GMT -6
Buck you nailed it!!! Every New HC and some of you that are having problems this is wehat you should do..
great stuff
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Post by coachd5085 on Apr 4, 2010 18:41:19 GMT -6
Buck you nailed it!!! Every New HC and some of you that are having problems this is wehat you should do.. great stuff Or they can just hire people who boast and brag on messages boards but never back up their arguments. People who chime in about all of the players their schools have continuing their careers yet that they didn't actually coach... They can also hire those who never seem to understand what is being discussed, yet feel ok about calling out outstanding coaches and mocking them by calling their teams "some little SW TEAM from the middle of the country" Or they could just work on footwork... because that is what is necessary to do paperwork.
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Post by buck42 on Apr 4, 2010 19:00:31 GMT -6
Buck you nailed it!!! Every New HC and some of you that are having problems this is wehat you should do.. great stuff Or they can just hire people who boast and brag on messages boards but never back up their arguments. People who chime in about all of the players their schools have continuing their careers yet that they didn't actually coach... They can also hire those who never seem to understand what is being discussed, yet feel ok about calling out outstanding coaches and mocking them by calling their teams "some little SW TEAM from the middle of the country" Or they could just work on footwork... because that is what is necessary to do paperwork. whoa what did I miss? Are you referring to me? Im lost right now!!
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Post by coachd5085 on Apr 4, 2010 19:05:57 GMT -6
Buck--no, not at all to you. Referring to the person who replied to your post.
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Post by Coach Bennett on Apr 4, 2010 19:29:52 GMT -6
Along the decision making lines as a new hc as opposed to when you were an assistant:
Did you find that you became more or less conservative now that you were the head dude?
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smu92
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Post by smu92 on Apr 4, 2010 20:55:13 GMT -6
Along the decision making lines as a new hc as opposed to when you were an assistant: Did you find that you became more or less conservative now that you were the head dude? Great question. Not a head coach yet, but I can definitely see the draw to becoming more conservative once you're the man.
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Post by buck42 on Apr 4, 2010 21:19:48 GMT -6
CoachD, thanks for clearing that up...
Red, I am who I am, I am aggressive by nature, but I do think to an extent I have doen a little more thinking before making a decision. Sometimes you have to make snap decisions, but those that do not have to be made right away, I think that I have taken my time more....conservative? Do not think so, but maybe....
I think as a coordinator or assistant you think you have the "answer" as the HC you must "have the answer" or find it real daggum quick!!
I love being a HC not because I am calling the shots, but I like the pressure, I love outworking and out organizing other coaches...If I ask my student athletes to out work the teams we play, I feel I should as well!!!
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smu92
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Post by smu92 on Apr 4, 2010 21:41:39 GMT -6
I love being a HC not because I am calling the shots, but I like the pressure, I love outworking and out organizing other coaches...If I ask my student athletes to out work the teams we play, I feel I should as well!!! Well said.
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Post by tango on Apr 4, 2010 21:52:02 GMT -6
Game time stuff. 1. call the play early 2. know what your bread and butter plays are 3. Be sound all the time 4. Know what you are going to do in each stituation before the game. EX. 2 pt play, 4th and 1, FG to win, overtime, if you are winning with less than two min., special plays and when, plays for each defense, adjustments you are ready to use on defense if they switch up on you, good hands team, on side kicks, should you punt or kick the FG or just go for it, should you take a safety, game plan if you have players get hurt, and we can go on and on. 5. Best advice from and old coach- always go with your gut because you can't second guess your gut but if you go against it you will always second guess your gut. We always have a plan but if I get a gut filling I will go with it and live with it. 6. Listen to everyone but filter it to a few things. (same coach) 7. They do not think like you did in school because they do not want to be a coach. (same coach) 8. Say as little as possible so you don't confuse them. 9. Make sure you coaches know their jobs. (not on the field) 10. Delegate as much as you can off the field. 11. Be nice but let parents know who is in charge within the first 30 sec. of your first meeting and do not have a second meeting.
This is just a few things.
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Post by 42falcon on Apr 4, 2010 22:06:12 GMT -6
Great question on aggressive VS conservative
I find that now as a HC I pick and chose my spots a bit better based on momentum or feel in the game. This being said it was a tough decision learned and I am sure I will learn more as I go along.
I remember a time as a DC when we were in a city final I thought we should kick the on side after we had scored in the 2nd quarter we had them on the ropes. Our HC thought otherwise as to not give them momentum our D had been stifiling all 1st half. We still joke around about it to this day. This past year as HC I thought our only chance to beat these guys was to run our fakes and get them on the ropes early well it backfired and our fakes put us in bad positions hahaha, wow what a learning curve!
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smu92
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Post by smu92 on Apr 12, 2010 20:53:09 GMT -6
Anybody else got anything to add to the mix???
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Post by coachmoore42 on Apr 13, 2010 0:23:07 GMT -6
I just completed my first year as HC, tenth coaching.
What do you feel like you were least prepared for? Dealing with parents. Although I had done it plenty, being the HC is a different animal.
What was/is the hardest part of your job? Paperwork, especially POs and fundraising stuff.
If you had to do it all over again, what would you have done differently? I would've done more things the way I wanted. I tried to please everyone (principal, AD, parents). Most times I did that all of them ended up unhappy about something, along with myself being unhappy. Half the time I was even wrong about what they wanted changed, lol.
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Post by chuge325 on Apr 13, 2010 17:20:03 GMT -6
First - decide what your program stands for- what are your "non negotiables". Put them out publicly and do NOT waver. Second - Communicate with the parents. Hold a parents meeting and get who you are and what your program is about to them. Email the notes from the meeting to all the parents. Hold them accountable and offer them a way to be a part of the program for all the "sacrifices" they must make. have a booster club, have them help with film, chains etc. but get them bought in. Third - Keep the football focused on fundamentals and make darn sure the kids know what you want. Fourth - celebrate publicly often and criticize privately. I didn't do these as well in year one as we do now. Life is easier now. Winning helps too
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Post by airmale on Apr 13, 2010 17:43:23 GMT -6
Also be sure you want THIS job. Be sure they want YOU to be the coach. Don't take first job to come a long. Make sure you are a good fit. Admins come & go. If you do not like the area or community they will perceive it. Understand you need help.
My first job I had too big of an ego. I CAN DO IT ALL! I DIDNT NEED ANYONE"S HELP!
Boy was I wrong. Great learning experience.
Last thing, remember the kids come first. Help them acheive all they can and you will be successful.
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Post by Coach Bennett on Apr 14, 2010 7:17:33 GMT -6
Any of you try to be something you were not in your first days/years as the head dude?
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Post by coachmoore42 on Apr 14, 2010 14:41:20 GMT -6
Any of you try to be something you were not in your first days/years as the head dude? I almost did defensively. The HS coaches told me I could run whatever, but I wanted to run their stuff. I played with their defensive stuff, but I was never comfortable with it. By the end of the summer, I went back to what I knew and we pitched a season-long shutout.
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