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Post by norcaldiaz on Sept 26, 2009 12:42:28 GMT -6
Frustrating game last night both for our team (2nd game lost in the last minute to a top 4 ranked team in 3 weeks), and also for my position group. We have a pretty darn good QB who made some absolutely amazing throws that hit my WRs hands in stride - and they were dropped. 7 or 8 drops total, 3 for sure TD's. Not just one guy either, all 3 of our starting WRs dropped balls.
Frustrating that my guys worked very hard this week (and all year) to become precise route-runners and blockers, and they did those things well yesterday. But we failed big time when the team needed us to make a play.
Guess I am venting a bit, but I would love to hear if anyone has advice on how to work with my guys next week. We catch every ball imaginable in practice, work on catching in traffic, and rep our plays plenty with our QBs, so I don't really feel like getting reps is a problem.
How can we better coach our guys to MAKE THE PLAY???
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Post by jgordon1 on Sept 26, 2009 13:17:24 GMT -6
Just a thought....How about practicing visualization techniques before the game
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Post by touchdownmaker on Sept 26, 2009 17:05:05 GMT -6
just keep chopping wood. anyone can coach the all stars
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Post by kylem56 on Sept 26, 2009 17:49:46 GMT -6
just keep chopping wood. anyone can coach the all stars probaly the best quote of the week . Im sure theres alot of coaches on this board who need to hear that |
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Post by CoachFetty on Sept 26, 2009 17:58:01 GMT -6
I use that exact qoute^^^
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Post by touchdownmaker on Sept 27, 2009 8:16:01 GMT -6
heres an example of where that applies...
we are running a 33 stack. the spur on the right side reads sweep. he gets upfield to turn the sweep inside, then as if being remote controlled by the other coach, suddenly ducks inside the lead block allowing the ball to spill outside of him, hes in the way of all his his teammates and the runner walks into the endzone.
kid does this 3 times in each of the last two games. you literally have no other bodies. you try blitzing him and command him "keep them inside" and whats he do?he blitzes flat and ends up tied up with the tight end.
anyone can coach the all stars.
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Post by phantom on Sept 27, 2009 9:48:15 GMT -6
heres an example of where that applies... we are running a 33 stack. the spur on the right side reads sweep. he gets upfield to turn the sweep inside, then as if being remote controlled by the other coach, suddenly ducks inside the lead block allowing the ball to spill outside of him, hes in the way of all his his teammates and the runner walks into the endzone. kid does this 3 times in each of the last two games. you literally have no other bodies. you try blitzing him and command him "keep them inside" and whats he do?he blitzes flat and ends up tied up with the tight end. anyone can coach the all stars. I don't see how it applies. This is a technique problem, not a question of talent. If he's playing his technique properly but getting physically wiped out that would be a talent problem. A quote that I've seen attributed to a number of successful coaches: "If an assistant says that he's repped something 1000 times but his player still does it wrong I tell him that it's time to start on 1001". All-stars are good athletes who use good technique. |
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Post by touchdownmaker on Sept 27, 2009 10:52:23 GMT -6
hey phantom feel free to disagree, its not a technique problem, its an experience and discipline problem that stems from lack of trust in the scheme based on experience as a player, yes, he needs more film, more reps and thus more experience with his technnique. at the moment , the kids not an all star. you just keep chopping wood and harping on the way you want it done.
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Post by blb on Sept 27, 2009 11:24:13 GMT -6
We have some kids who didn't know what "inside" (or "outside") meant. Don't assume too much.
If your kids are in position and giving maximum effort and not making plays, what it tells you is they're not very good, you're getting outathleted (or got out outprocreated 16-18 years ago).
If the kids are executing it in practice but not in games, the other guys may just be quicker and faster. Or it may be a "contact courage" problem.
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Post by phantom on Sept 27, 2009 12:35:53 GMT -6
hey phantom feel free to disagree, its not a technique problem, its an experience and discipline problem that stems from lack of trust in the scheme based on experience as a player, yes, he needs more film, more reps and thus more experience with his technnique. at the moment , the kids not an all star. you just keep chopping wood and harping on the way you want it done. How's it not a technique problem? He has a job to do- an essential skill for a 3-3 Spur- and he's executing it incorrectly. Whatever the reason- discipline, inexperience, not knowing inside from outside, whatever- he's playing the technique wrong. That's 100% correctable. You say "Keep chopping wood". I say "Time for 1001". It means the same thing. Your defense will never be OK until this player can execute this technique consistently. |
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Post by los on Sept 27, 2009 13:08:33 GMT -6
I like that saying blb, gotta remember that....."contact courage", lol.........I use to say something similar to the kids on my youth teams = " We can teach you guys "how to play football.".....how to tackle......how to block......etc....etc....etc.....but we can't teach courage or "make you wanna do it" = you gotta find that yourself".
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Post by fbdoc on Sept 27, 2009 20:17:24 GMT -6
I think this is more technique (not doing it right) as opposed to "keep chopping wood" (don't quit). We have a similar problem with a kid that can't seem to stay home to cover the boot. He's a a decent athlete (for us) but he's killing us! This week we moved him inside and he was a little better, but I agree with Phantom on this one - if the kid is doing it wrong, he needs more reps! If that dosesn't work, then you need to make a change.
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Post by coachks on Sept 27, 2009 22:35:59 GMT -6
Unfortunately, there are not an infinite number of reps to give a player  . |
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Post by touchdownmaker on Sept 28, 2009 3:32:22 GMT -6
suppose a kid is doign it right with every rep in practice...every rep...then the game comes and he does his own thing. more reps?...or maybe some consequences to remind him of his responsibility?
discipline (ie will or wont) hurts a team more than talent (can or cant) in some cases.
I think the defensive ends (46) or spurs (33) are players that need discipline as much as they need talent- giving an undisciplined kid more reps with intensive one on one coaching helps during practice, so far it hasnt helped in games. not for said player.
regarding "keep chopping wood" - as you said, either move the kid somewhere that he cant hurt you with his lack of discipline (meaning someone with less talent (can or cant) will end up in his spot) and ultimately you just keep coaching your tail off trying to make some chicken salad.
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Post by bccarnes on Sept 28, 2009 10:57:25 GMT -6
I completely agree dcohio...we are dealing with that right now! Wish our QB wouldn't have been so good in years past, wish he would have "needed more coaching."
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Post by phantom on Sept 28, 2009 11:08:25 GMT -6
suppose a kid is doign it right with every rep in practice...every rep...then the game comes and he does his own thing. more reps?...or maybe some consequences to remind him of his responsibility? discipline (ie will or wont) hurts a team more than talent (can or cant) in some cases. I think the defensive ends (46) or spurs (33) are players that need discipline as much as they need talent- giving an undisciplined kid more reps with intensive one on one coaching helps during practice, so far it hasnt helped in games. not for said player. regarding "keep chopping wood" - as you said, either move the kid somewhere that he cant hurt you with his lack of discipline (meaning someone with less talent (can or cant) will end up in his spot) and ultimately you just keep coaching your tail off trying to make some chicken salad. As I recall you've only playing the 3-3 for a couple of weeks. Also you're very short-handed. So he's the best you've got and also inexperienced. For a spur, forcing and covering the flat are essential skills. Drill him on those skills and nothing else until he gets it right. That's all you can do since you can't replace him. |
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