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Post by 4verts on Sept 16, 2009 17:59:20 GMT -6
So I am looking for some advice.. I am currently at a D2 school after five years of high school coaching. I absolutely love coaching college football! The recruiting I have got to do has made me love this level even more. I am toiling with the next move however. There will be a high school head job opening up this off season near my hometown and I believe I have a really good shot at it. This would have been a dream two years ago and still kind of is, but I also have the possibility of making a move to a DI or Iaa GA position. I am young and torn with this decision that will have to be made before you know it. I am fairly certain that the decision I make now will keep me in that path for several years to come. Money isn't an issue to me. I will sleep on a cot at the Y if I have to, just so I can coach this game. All input is appreciated.
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Post by airraid77 on Sept 16, 2009 18:13:59 GMT -6
Just the way you come off in your post and not knowing anything about you, I would continue down the college path. you sound like football is No. 1, 2, and 3 on your priority list. If thats the case, you understand what it means to family life, then go for the big leagues. PM me if you can.
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Post by brophy on Sept 16, 2009 18:22:21 GMT -6
GA
You have all your life to be "old", but only right now to be young. HS ball ain't going anywhere
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Post by phantom on Sept 16, 2009 18:33:06 GMT -6
So I am looking for some advice.. I am currently at a D2 school after five years of high school coaching. I absolutely love coaching college football! The recruiting I have got to do has made me love this level even more. I am toiling with the next move however. There will be a high school head job opening up this off season near my hometown and I believe I have a really good shot at it. This would have been a dream two years ago and still kind of is, but I also have the possibility of making a move to a DI or Iaa GA position. I am young and torn with this decision that will have to be made before you know it. I am fairly certain that the decision I make now will keep me in that path for several years to come. Money isn't an issue to me. I will sleep on a cot at the Y if I have to, just so I can coach this game. All input is appreciated. No question to me- take the GA. Your post makes it clear that you want to be in college ball. Stay there. Brophy's right. When you get older and have tenure and a wife and family and a mortgage you'll regret leaving college. Take the opportunity while you can.
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Post by coachorr on Sept 16, 2009 21:22:52 GMT -6
Stay on your current path, do what you do. High School will be there in the future, but if you quit and go to High School now, you may never be able to get to where you are. Moreover, high school football has many things that are tough to deal with, parents, administrators, kids with all of their issues and problems, being careful about what you say around the kids, your job always just one complaint away from being taken.
It takes a lot of patience to coach at the high school level.
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Post by fbcoach74 on Sept 17, 2009 13:17:33 GMT -6
stay in college. I had a chance to be a GA and passed it up to coach at the school I played for. I was an assistant for 6 years and am now the Head Coach. But I still wish I had taken that position to see how things would have worked out.
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Post by mce86 on Sept 17, 2009 13:42:36 GMT -6
Obviously you know how much commttment the college level takes. Are you ready to spend the next 5,6,8 years working for little to no money working 100 hour weeks?
Im in my eighth year teaching, and my salary is double the O-Coordinators and D-Coordinators at the small college level...and I dont work 100 hour weeks, and I have job security...
THis was just the flipside..I do like all the Pro's too!!! ;D
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Post by airman on Sept 17, 2009 17:12:53 GMT -6
Live for today man. The future is over in 2012
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Post by coachorr on Sept 17, 2009 21:30:47 GMT -6
I would love to be where you are right now! I would stay at the college level.
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Post by caneman on Sept 19, 2009 11:03:47 GMT -6
Depends how much you want to be a hs hc... there are several headers in my area who are career high school head coaches, I mean they are a good ol ball coach, great knowledgable successful coaches, they have had opportunities to move on to higher levels but they enjoy being an ol ball coach and wouldn't have it any other way... more of a lifestyle issue, college ball usually requires being on the road to a new school every few years. You could do college for a while longer, because as mentioned hs ball will always be there, so if you love coaching college ball then keep doing. Gotta do what you love.
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Post by fbdoc on Sept 19, 2009 15:18:46 GMT -6
Another thing to consider - You love college coaching (so did I!) but you might NOT like high school - teaching 16 year olds instead of coaching 20 year olds, dealing with parents and principals, etc. Its far easier to make a move to high school from college than returning to college after a few rough years as a high school coach. Stay with college for now - you know the lifestyle along with the pros and cons. If you decide down the road to try HS coaching - like Brophy said, its not going anywhere!
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Post by 4verts on Sept 20, 2009 11:28:37 GMT -6
Thanks for all the input guys. I got off the bus from a 9 hour road trip last night and have been doing film ever since. It is great! I remember coaching high school and having a weekend, which was awesome, but so is this. I have been in 6 states in 4 weeks and spent a total of two days combined on a bus, but we threw for 500 yards yesterday and won so I am in a great mood with a gallon of Red Bull in me! Look for us Thursday night on FSN south or CBS college sports. Play at 8 est.
Keep it coming guys I need all the help I can get for this decision.
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Post by deejones on Sept 20, 2009 12:04:36 GMT -6
Yeah I agree with everyone. I am still trying to get into college coaching and I got my start at the high school level. I took it for the experience. If I had a chance to get into college ball I would take it right now. Knowing full well the hours and little loot. Believe me, getting a chance to recruit your own players instead of having to take what the tide brings in, not dealing with moron parents and silly teachers and so on is well worth it.
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Post by coachd5085 on Sept 20, 2009 15:23:00 GMT -6
Thanks for all the input guys. I got off the bus from a 9 hour road trip last night and have been doing film ever since. It is great! I remember coaching high school and having a weekend, which was awesome, but so is this. I have been in 6 states in 4 weeks and spent a total of two days combined on a bus, but we threw for 500 yards yesterday and won so I am in a great mood with a gallon of Red Bull in me! Look for us Thursday night on FSN south or CBS college sports. Play at 8 est. Keep it coming guys I need all the help I can get for this decision. A few things. First---responsibilities. Right now it sounds like you have none, which is critical. If you are OK with the financial and leisure time downsides of collegiate coaching, then stick with it. My analogy to those "not in the know" with regards to collegiate coaching is that it is very much like the entertainment industry. The vast majority toil about...hoping for a break and a chance to move into one of those lucrative stops. "Civilians" (those not in sports) are usually shocked when they find out that H.S teachers make more money than most college football coaches. They are usually shocked to find out that a college coach might move 4-5 times in 9 years. You don't have to answer to anyone else but yourself right regarding low pay, long hours, and lack of stability. So if you are good with it... keep it up. You said you spent 5 years of coaching in H.S...which is great. You know what that particular deal is. You also have the far greater chance of being able to go back to that realm than you do getting back on the track you are now if you leave. So when you say "..the decision I make now will keep me in that path for several years to come" realize that chances are it will keep you in that path for LIFE. Just make sure you are aware of how the system works. Assuming you are 25-26... your window is closing fast. Network, Network, Network. Nothing wrong with being a lifetime lower-level coach, but chances are that is not the desired outcome.
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Post by lochness on Sept 21, 2009 11:09:20 GMT -6
I saw this thread was titled "the Future," and I assumed it would be some more enlightening and exciting information on the A-11.
I am quite disappointed.
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Post by gunrun on Sept 21, 2009 11:26:50 GMT -6
I saw this thread was titled "the Future," and I assumed it would be some more enlightening and exciting information on the A-11. I am quite disappointed. Funny, I was half expecting to see something on the A-11 when I read the title for the thread too. Seriously, 4verts, ditto what everyone else says, stay on the college track and you can always coach HS ball later down the road.
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Post by 4verts on Sept 21, 2009 11:59:26 GMT -6
The great thing about coaching college ball is the parents...you don't have to deal with them. The second greatest thing about college ball is the parents...you don't have to deal with them. That is not entirely true. When you give a recruit your cell number their entire family takes up your school's anytime minutes. Especially in January!
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Post by mce86 on Sept 21, 2009 14:17:35 GMT -6
Wow.... So, heres my lil story...Was Head Coach at High School A! My son plays for High School B. Last year I coached at the NAIA level....lots and lots of work... Im not coaching this year, but plan to return next season... So, I had the priveledge of watching Team A play Team B....and it was awful to watch to horribly coached teams play what apparently was football....made me pine for the 100 hour weeks again!!! Point is...at least in college, you are working with skilled kids and for the most part, coaches with football knowledge and typically college experience! And , even though its a lot of work, you may rather get paid less to do something you love, than get paid more to do something less enjoyable!
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