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Post by coachchase on Aug 6, 2009 11:05:11 GMT -6
What scheme is everyone using. My Offensive Coor. and I are looking for an effective yet simple scheme for the kids to grasp. Last year we used OIL. However I'm seeing a lot on SAB(severe angle blocking) and GDB(gap, down, backer) . Anyone with something to share or maybe what you guys run would be much appreciated.
By the way, we run a Power wishbone and the Mesa Attack.
Thank you, Coach Chase
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Post by coachchase on Aug 6, 2009 11:06:20 GMT -6
Forgot to mention, that before practice even starts in two weeks, we were toying with idea of rail road tracks, however I'm foreshadowing problems with keeping kids on their tracks.
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Post by davecisar on Aug 6, 2009 11:12:52 GMT -6
SAB and Rail Road Tracks are pretty same thing, track blocking.
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Post by coachdoug on Aug 6, 2009 11:15:53 GMT -6
We have different rules for different series - the generally isn't a one-size-fits all rule for the o-line. Sometimes it's OIL, sometimes it's GOB or GOD, sometimes it's covered/uncovered (i.e. Zone). The rules will be driven by the series or play type - you're not going to have the same rules for trap as you will for power. Also, we give our linemen a lot of latitude to make line calls to adjust their blocking assignments based oh what they see. For instance, if any blocker sees that he doesn't have a good angle to handle the guy he is responsible for, he can call for the guy next to him to cross block or fold or double or whatever.
BTW, what is the Mesa Attack?
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Post by touchdownmaker on Aug 6, 2009 15:36:57 GMT -6
Lets clarify
"rules" are blocking priorities for a lineman...ie WHO DOES HE BLOCK???
"schemes" are the sum of the rules put together.
for each scheme a linemen may have the same rule as another scheme or a new rule for the new scheme.
Ill give you an example...
TRAP AT THE 0 HOLE
center= man on , man away right guard= gap down backer right tackle= first backer inside tightend= first backer inside wing= safety
power at 4 hole center= man on man away right guard= gap on down right tackle= gap, on, outside gap, down tight end= gap , down , backer wing= first backer inside
blast to 2 hole
center- man on, man away right guard- god, make "Jesus" call if covered (cross block) right tackle- fan on to outside, down block on Jesus call right tight end- fan on to outside, first backer inside on Jesus call
wedge at 1 hole
center- snap and post or snap and wait both guards- wedge earhole to hip, double team center, flipper across butt both tackles- wedge ear hole to hip, flipper across butt both tight ends- wedge ear hole to hip, flipper across butt
etc.
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Post by coachchase on Aug 6, 2009 16:26:41 GMT -6
Thank you to all. I guess I meant "blocking rule" not scheme. Our local high school program runs the spread and use a "rail road Track mentality" play side. Everyone going in the same direction until someone crosses their track. I guess I just couldn't see a young kid staying on his track. Shoot, sometimes its hard enough just to get him to block the kid in front of him, let alone expect them to make it to the second or third level. Maybe I'm under estimating the kids.
Mesa attack is our version of a single wing power running game the was introduced by a former Midland Michigan coach who ended up moving to Mesa Arizona and implemented the offense. He had a book out..and for the life of me I cant remember his name...Dr. ? something.
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Post by coachchase on Aug 6, 2009 16:28:55 GMT -6
above didn't post correctly.............qb behind center.....fullback behind guard..........flanker one step over and one step back from tight end. Tailback four and half yards deep.
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Post by touchdownmaker on Aug 6, 2009 17:40:51 GMT -6
You will need a couple of rules for each scheme. Sounds like a zone scheme for your hs team.
Regarding your mesa power attack, youll want to be able to sweep, power, counter, iso, wedge and trap and pass protect. Youll want to have blocking rules for each of the schemes needed for those plays.
If youd like help I got ya covered.
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Post by touchdownmaker on Aug 6, 2009 17:42:06 GMT -6
btw, a rule lIKE oil is "on- inside- linebacker" and does NOT produce double teams, its a base blocking rule for a hat on a hat type schemes, typically for dives.
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Post by justmister on Aug 9, 2009 19:53:54 GMT -6
One of the most productive and SIMPLE blocking schemes we have used for youths this young is the HEAD UP/GAP AWAY system or the common name PUT YOUR BUTT IN THE HOLE. Each lineman wil know the play and the perscribed hole, they just pick the guy that is on their head or in the gap that is away from the hole and block him. This basic premise works well for teams with varying fronts or whol ike to shift from head up to in the gaps.
RB's rule is run toward the butt pads make one cut and get to green grass.
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Post by bigshel on Aug 9, 2009 21:03:25 GMT -6
Lets clarify "rules" are blocking priorities for a lineman...ie WHO DOES HE BLOCK??? "schemes" are the sum of the rules put together. for each scheme a linemen may have the same rule as another scheme or a new rule for the new scheme. Ill give you an example... TRAP AT THE 0 HOLE center= man on , man away right guard= gap down backer right tackle= first backer inside tightend= first backer inside wing= safety power at 4 hole center= man on man away right guard= gap on down right tackle= gap, on, outside gap, down tight end= gap , down , backer wing= first backer inside blast to 2 hole center- man on, man away right guard- god, make "Jesus" call if covered (cross block) right tackle- fan on to outside, down block on Jesus call right tight end- fan on to outside, first backer inside on Jesus call wedge at 1 hole center- snap and post or snap and wait both guards- wedge earhole to hip, double team center, flipper across butt both tackles- wedge ear hole to hip, flipper across butt both tight ends- wedge ear hole to hip, flipper across butt etc. tdmakers rules make up a large part of our blocking rules. We use GOOD/GOD rules, which aldso apply when we use our beast direct snap package.
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Post by jhelbling on Aug 13, 2009 12:32:53 GMT -6
Have switched to a wedge blocking concept for all run plays. Lead goose on all run plays is either the center,playside guard or playside tackle. Easy to learn, easy to teach - have to see how it goes on the field.
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Post by utchuckd on Aug 13, 2009 13:03:55 GMT -6
Have switched to a wedge blocking concept for all run plays. Lead goose on all run plays is either the center,playside guard or playside tackle. Easy to learn, easy to teach - have to see how it goes on the field. Interesting. Would like to know what kind of results you get.
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Post by jhelbling on Aug 14, 2009 12:22:39 GMT -6
We can not start hitting until next week but I took the concept from a Coach who uses it at the HS level - with much success.
Check out "splitbackveerassociation.com" - artilce on the home page about the wedge. I contacted the author and got his input.
We are running a split back veer but you can run power plays off the same concept. I can send you a copy of my wedge rules if you want to see how I am teaching it.
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Post by bobgoodman on Aug 14, 2009 12:34:00 GMT -6
We are running a split back veer but you can run power plays off the same concept. Triple option with 11Us? I'm interested in how that goes too.
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Post by jhelbling on Aug 14, 2009 13:22:41 GMT -6
We are 12 this year. We ran triple option out of the flex last year as 11yr olds. We had some success with it. In the league we play in there are 3 levels for each age group - we were put in the highest level despite having a team with 7 players who never played before. We finished 2-6 in league but went 2-2 in our last 4 games and then won a post-season tournament playing at one level lower.
We are back in division 1 this year and I think the split back veer is more suited to our team than the flexbone. Our biggest issue last year was confusion among our offensive lineman. The first possession or 2 of every game we did quite well. Then after the defense adjusted we had a difficult time adjusting our blocking schemes and we struggled.
This is why I am excited about the wedge concept - does not matter what the defense does - our scheme stays the same. The OL knows who their "lead goose" on the wedge is every play and they wedge off of him. It really acts as a kind of zone blocking scheme but gives the boys a point of attack on every play.
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Post by utchuckd on Aug 14, 2009 13:43:19 GMT -6
That's interesting. I would be most interested to see the timing of a quick veer dive behind a wedge.
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Post by bobgoodman on Aug 16, 2009 10:39:02 GMT -6
We are 12 this year. We ran triple option out of the flex last year as 11yr olds. We had some success with it. In the league we play in there are 3 levels for each age group - we were put in the highest level despite having a team with 7 players who never played before. We finished 2-6 in league but went 2-2 in our last 4 games and then won a post-season tournament playing at one level lower. We are back in division 1 this year and I think the split back veer is more suited to our team than the flexbone. Would this be a twin veer, i.e. either back can be dive or trailer? Inside veer, outside, or both? I can't imagine how that would work with triple option reads. I've heard of a wedge option used in double wing -- on the FB ride, you read how it feels, i.e. the amount of resistance. I'm also having trouble imagining how the fit forms between lead goose and players on the short side of the goose V if they're covered by a DL. My mind boggles.
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Post by tedseay on Aug 21, 2009 10:22:03 GMT -6
Mesa attack is our version of a single wing power running game the was introduced by a former Midland Michigan coach who ended up moving to Mesa Arizona and implemented the offense. He had a book out..and for the life of me I cant remember his name...Dr. ? something. Coach: Great offense, but I'm not sure which coach you had in mind -- Roger Worsley, author of the book Mesa's Power Attack, credited Coach Edgar "Mutt" Ford with creating the offense. tiny.cc/UngxO
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Post by jhelbling on Sept 20, 2009 7:58:54 GMT -6
Won yesterday 30-15 and we are 2-1 this year. Yesterday we beat a team that beat us 38-6 last year.
Wedge concept continues to improve and the kids absolutely love it!! They love it because it is simple.
We stress movement at the point of attack. Even if it ends up as a triple team on one DL - our wedging lineman are starting to read that and get up to 2nd level. If we are wedging on our G and there is a 2 tech over him - we wedge on G - get good movement on the 2 tech and now our wedging lineman are starting to read that movement and peel off to get the LBs - because the LBs have to come to them. If they don't - we stay in the wedge and get our 4 yards and run it again.
Yesterday the team had 2 200+ lb lineman and we still got movement on them - we average about 130 on our offensive line.
If I get a chance I will try to post some video - technical stuff is not exactly my forte.
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