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Post by bigm0073 on Jun 5, 2009 7:28:12 GMT -6
Coaches,
Our Basketball Coach is resigning and going to another school. I have an assistant on my staff coaches DB and special teams. Great coach, about 50 years old. Former football head coach and has been a b-ball assistant for over 20 years too. Well we are looking to get him in the building and it looks like he has a very, very good shot at the b-ball job.
This would be huge. I have a great relationship with baseball (He use to coach football. We share probably 8-9 really good players). We do a great job. If this guy could get b-ball we would have the ultimate atheltic department. Our best players would play for each other and it is win, win in the end. I really hope this works out.
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Post by colmesneilfan1 on Jun 5, 2009 7:43:31 GMT -6
I hope it works out for you...that sounds like a great situation....
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Post by tiger46 on Jun 5, 2009 8:28:23 GMT -6
Hope it works out for you, too. I hope you and your staff can get all the programs working as a single entity.
It's really strange to me when I hear about coaches at the same school with athletic programs that compete against one another.
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Post by jgordon1 on Jun 5, 2009 9:12:20 GMT -6
The one thing I might try is to have a common lifting program...maybe something like BFS.. all talking the same language. have an in season routine and an out of season routine.. Wouldn't it be great, hey I'm the baseball coach. you 8 kids take BP..you 8 kids go in and get an in-season workout, See coach Big M, he''ll tell you what to do. If you really trusted the other coach, you could give the kids a choice come in the am or the pm with all the coaches encouraging every sport.
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Post by bigm0073 on Jun 5, 2009 9:19:04 GMT -6
Yeah it is this new way of thinking... If I play basketball year around or baseball year around I will get a scholarship. Parents really in my opinion are just as bad as the coaches. I mean we as coaches know that scholarship players are usually "born" and rarely if ever can you make them into one. We as coaches know this but parents do not.
Like for baseball. We have TWO VERY GOOD RB's who started last year for me as sophomores play JV Baseball. Both run very well and are tough strong kids... Well during baseball they usually worked out 1 maybe twice a week. Now I could have been a real jerk and pressured them not to.... Baseball ended about 3 weeks ago....
We tested this week:
One kid cleaned 245 and the other 255..
Both bench over 250 and both squat 350....
They are scholarship athletes.... They have some really good ability. For me to make them stay in the weight room four days and not play baseball would have done no good. Like these basketball players under 6'2" who can't even dunk but think their is a scholarship for them if they play year around.... Right!!
I want the best, toughest and smartest athletes...Who cares if a kid can bench 300 or squat 400 if he is not the best athlete...
Think about this coaches....
If you play your kids one way has this ever happened to you (I did me)... You have a couple of good wry/rb types.. run well (4.6 - 4.7.. strong) But you say they are only RB- WR- CB - or safety.. Just one way.
You put a slower kid not as good at another position just because you have the kids going one way... For weeks maybe months this kid is getting all of the coaching but on Friday night he just does not get it done...
You throw a really good athlete there that is a good football player... It comes natural, he performs great... Less coaching but it comes easy for him. These same athletes excel at other sports...
I played b-ball in high school. After football it was right to b-ball. I did not touch a b-ball since August. I still came right in and started my junior and senior year. Had these other kids who played all summer, all fall (SOme kid told me shot 500 shots a day and was pissed he could not beat me up)... You know the kids...Really robotic, stiff, work hard but hey just do not play at the same level. They also do not have the killer instinct a multiple sport athlete has. I would beat them all out. Within a week shot was back, rebounding was good (Always set hard picks and would throw elbows with the best of them) and I was ready to go.
I am hopeful our athletic department is heading into that direction. If this guy coaches b-ball it will be HUGE for us (All of his DB's will play basketball).
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Post by robinhood on Jun 5, 2009 9:24:39 GMT -6
bm0073:
Obviously you are not coaching in Indiana where head basketball coaches only coach that one sport; its too important to do otherwise.
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Post by bigm0073 on Jun 5, 2009 9:52:35 GMT -6
My DC is also the strength and conditioning coach.. He is CSCS and has every certififcation in the book. He worked with the Redskins and the Reds as well.
We have in-season programs for our atheltes and they follow it. Both basketball and football have. In-Season it is a two day routine... WHat I find is that is fine and the kids keep their strength.. Some get stronger...
So we do have a uniform program. Just need the coach who will not scare off the 6'1", 6'2". 6'3" kids from playing football.. Had 2 nice looking athletes play freshmen football but after basketball they were nowhere to be found. B-Ball coach told them they might be varsity and need to come to open gym, summer ball, fall ball... You guys know the deal.....
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Post by coachcathey on Jun 6, 2009 8:29:32 GMT -6
I mean we as coaches know that scholarship players are usually "born" and rarely if ever can you make them into one. We as coaches know this but parents do not. That statement can be argued. I have research to back it up. Genetics play a certain role in the development, but there are numerous other factors that influence a players development. Constraints are resources, effort and motivation. There are also stages in development that help players become "experts" in their sport. To become an expert research shows that you must have 10,000 hrs or 10 yrs. Expert can be defined in a variety of ways. For my study experts will be professional baseball players (Not MLB) compared to HS players. |
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Post by phantom on Jun 6, 2009 8:52:18 GMT -6
I mean we as coaches know that scholarship players are usually "born" and rarely if ever can you make them into one. We as coaches know this but parents do not. That statement can be argued. I have research to back it up. Genetics play a certain role in the development, but there are numerous other factors that influence a players development. Constraints are resources, effort and motivation. There are also stages in development that help players become "experts" in their sport. To become an expert research shows that you must have 10,000 hrs or 10 yrs. Expert can be defined in a variety of ways. For my study experts will be professional baseball players (Not MLB) compared to HS players. I'd like to see any research that shows that a 5'9" basketball player who is not a genetic freak run and jump athlete can make himself into a scholarship athlete. |
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Post by coachjd on Jun 6, 2009 9:04:27 GMT -6
WOW, good for you and your kids!!!! I'm a little jelous.
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Post by bigm0073 on Jun 6, 2009 10:19:49 GMT -6
I agree with Phantom... I am sorry I have been around long enough seen enough to know that "Most" kids can lift, run and do all of that stuff...Most football players (95% of high school players) will NOT get a football scholarhship. Not a lack of will but just lack of physcial god given ability.... I have seen many a D-IA player in middle school or 9th grade doing amazing things (Dunking basketaballs..) or how about the 9th grade player that walks in and squats 315 lbs the first day of testing and benches 225 lbs for reps at 6'3" 180lbs... He can dunk too... Hmmm how much work did he put into that? I can tell you, NONE!!
I have other kids lifting four days a week and still can barely get a 300lbs squat... Forget about dunking a b-ball or grabbing the rim (I love the VJ test personally).
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Post by coachcathey on Jun 7, 2009 14:48:53 GMT -6
[quote author=phantom board=general thread=30739 post=294341 time=1244299938 I'd like to see any research that shows that a 5'9" basketball player who is not a genetic freak run and jump athlete can make himself into a scholarship athlete. [/quote] The height constrainst is the one factor that cannot be argued. And I did not point that out. If you want some leisure reading try this article that explains deliberate practice. projects.ict.usc.edu/itw/gel/EricssonDeliberatePracticePR93.pdfAlso to counterpoint why doesn't my brother-in-law play basketball, or baseball he is 6'6", lean strong build. |
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Post by bigm0073 on Jun 7, 2009 17:31:32 GMT -6
I would also like to see the research just because a kid is tall 6'6" he can play sports. Again they are genetic freaks. Work and dedication will not make them something there not.
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