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Post by davishfc on Apr 7, 2009 9:21:49 GMT -6
I am currently at a school that dropped football due to a numbers issue in 2006. I inherited the program in 2007 and we went 0-9. Last season, 2008, we won our season finale 40-12 against a team that finished 3-6. Our win allowed us to finish 1-7 and snapped a 28-game losing streak. We are looking to build on this win. Our young coaching staff is working hard preparing for this season but our level of commitment from the players is not as good as it was last year. Our school continues to have declining enrollment like most schools in the state of Michigan. I believe there must be creative ways to recruit the building and increase the number of players in our program. I understand that selling the program and telling kids why they should be involved begins with the feeder program. However, I know there are much smarter coaches than myself who have done innovative things in the high school that made kids tell themselves they needed to be a part of what was going on. I'm looking for tangible things. For example, I read the thread on faculty suppport and superpower suggested a program called the honorary trojan award. Basically the kids vote for the most supportive faculty member and this person gets to wear a jersey on Friday, pre-game meal with the team, and presence in the lockeroom and on the sideline. This was monumental for me and I plan to make this a program tradition for this year and years to come. Back to recruiting the building, I am looking for ideas like the example stated above to sell the program to the students. I think if they get genuine attention and interest from a coach that they will be more apt to come out for football. So with that in mind, what ideas or things have you done to get those kids out to play football in your building? Thanks in advance coaches.
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Post by fbcoach74 on Apr 7, 2009 11:44:41 GMT -6
Coach,
We sit each player down in the off season and ask him who he thinks from his class should be playing football We normally get about 20 kids per grade from the players. I like to ask the players to see who they respect and who they feel could help. From there i send a letter just to feel the kid out, then I try to find each one and talk to them personally. So as of right now i have contacted 60 new kids and I feel if we get 20 of those kids that is awesome.
I will also go up to kids in the hallway who look athletic and simply ask them if they have considered playing. If they say no or they do not want to I keep saying Hi every day and ask them how they are doing. And eventually you wear a few of them down and have a few new players.
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Post by bigm0073 on Apr 7, 2009 11:54:07 GMT -6
When,
Building a program "Smoke and Mirrors" really will not work. Like you said in your post - Start at the feeder schools and middle school level. Build there. Understand this might be a 3-4 year process until you really see results.
Trying to do gimmick things with kids who are in 10th, 11th and 12th grade from my experience just does not work. If by the time they reach 10th grade they have not played football or have not been exposed to the "culture" it is very unlikely you will get a lot of production.
Start young - Play a ton of 9th and 10th graders. Have them be your catalyst in terms of what you want your program to be. Have the parents by in and support it as well. This will be the backbone of your program and they will be the foundation of what you build.
Again this is probably a 3-4 year process but I would "play young committed kids who are ALL ABOUT FOOTBALL" then kids who are older and on the fence...
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Post by superpower on Apr 7, 2009 12:15:57 GMT -6
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Post by zbessac on Apr 7, 2009 15:45:20 GMT -6
I agree with Bigm0073, start with the youth and middle school programs. Really try to incorporate them into your plan and do your best to coach up the limited numbers you currently have.
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Post by coachwilley on Apr 9, 2009 11:44:00 GMT -6
Here's a question that falls under the category "recruiting your own building:"
Do you recruit high school students that have played a different sport during the football season? ie. soccer/cross country
Many coaches frown upon "stealing players." I know in my school the basketball/wrestling coach are at odds because the basketball coach might work on getting Junior/sophomore wrestlers to go out for basketball.
You might laugh at me wanting to get cross country kids but I'm at a very small school with a rich cross country tradition. I'd love to have some of those tall cross country kids on my team! I usually recruit the 8th graders hard but once they tell me they want to run I will leave them alone...
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Post by dabears54 on Apr 9, 2009 11:50:18 GMT -6
The key is to visit with the kids before they get to HS. Our school has had a history of losing our athletes to other high schools before we even get them. Since we've visited with the junior programs, that is beginning to change.
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Post by coachbdud on Apr 9, 2009 11:59:35 GMT -6
Here's a question that falls under the category "recruiting your own building:" Do you recruit high school students that have played a different sport during the football season? ie. soccer/cross country Many coaches frown upon "stealing players." I know in my school the basketball/wrestling coach are at odds because the basketball coach might work on getting Junior/sophomore wrestlers to go out for basketball. You might laugh at me wanting to get cross country kids but I'm at a very small school with a rich cross country tradition. I'd love to have some of those tall cross country kids on my team! I usually recruit the 8th graders hard but once they tell me they want to run I will leave them alone... it amazes me how a kid could wanna fo CC instead of football.. CC isnt a sport, its a punishment. "Hey kids for todays practice go run a few miles" - Maybe i just dislike it cuz im fat...
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Post by bigm0073 on Apr 9, 2009 12:17:48 GMT -6
Personally I want Football players... I want kids who have a history of playing...
That being said I have quite a few players play Basektball, Baseball, Wrestle, Track, LAX..
No problem at all. I personally am not a big fan of chasing kids in high school and begging them to play football... Great athlete or not I have found this really does not work out too well.
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Post by airraider on Apr 9, 2009 14:10:20 GMT -6
I recruite kids for offense more than anything else.
If the kid is a senior and has never played before, then he can come out and maybe learn to get in someone's way.. run a route and catch a pass.. maybe take a hand off and run for his life..
But its hard teaching defensive football to a kid who has never played.
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Post by superpower on Apr 9, 2009 14:18:34 GMT -6
I agree with the last couple of posts. It is very difficult to win with kids who are not sure they want to play football. Just as important at my school, those kids that have to be begged are likely to have a hard time fitting in as our football players hold each other accountable to very high standards in the weightroom. Usually the kids that have to be begged to play also have to be begged to lift, and that won't fly with our football players. Fortunately we have enough kids that have a desire to play football that we don't have to beg anyone.
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Post by touchdownmaker on Apr 9, 2009 15:53:11 GMT -6
Sometimes you dont have a choice. You have to SELL THE PROGRAM, not beg. There is a big difference.
begging "cmon Jones, youd be great, you could help us win the conference"
selling "Jones, if you buy in and do what we coach you to do, you will improve quickly and become a valuable member of the program. Weight training and discipline will help you earn respect among your peers and among employers"
one thing I have been stressing lately is that things like playing football, being a team captain and being part of success will look good on a resume in a difficult economy. One needs to give oneself every edge and football players, particularly captains, often have a few more doors open to them. Thats my story and I am sticking to it.
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Post by bigm0073 on Apr 14, 2009 19:54:53 GMT -6
TD Maker how success have you had with this??
I am going into my sixth year as a head coach and I can HONESTLY tell you I have NEVER had a kid come out for football as a junior or senior and help me.... In all I have had over 20 - 30 kids come out (Good athletes, all of the stuff).. .Many do not make it through our spring and summer.. Many do not make it through practice and once they get that far - they are so far behind they either quit or hold shields...
Football is a tough sport to teach a 16,17,18 year old junior or senior who has never played... Sophomore is one thing - you have a year of JV to develop him.. But by their junior year it is a very, very tough thing to do.
From my end I have had ZERO success with this in my 5 previous years as a head coach.
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Post by k on Apr 14, 2009 22:55:15 GMT -6
TD Maker how success have you had with this?? I am going into my sixth year as a head coach and I can HONESTLY tell you I have NEVER had a kid come out for football as a junior or senior and help me.... In all I have had over 20 - 30 kids come out (Good athletes, all of the stuff).. .Many do not make it through our spring and summer.. Many do not make it through practice and once they get that far - they are so far behind they either quit or hold shields... Football is a tough sport to teach a 16,17,18 year old junior or senior who has never played... Sophomore is one thing - you have a year of JV to develop him.. But by their junior year it is a very, very tough thing to do. From my end I have had ZERO success with this in my 5 previous years as a head coach. We recruited a kid from the cross country team going into his junior year. A year later he was elected co-captain with 100% of the vote from every coach and every player. All conference as a senior at QB and easily our best player defensively at safety.
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Post by eghscoach on Apr 15, 2009 17:27:36 GMT -6
Was fortunate enuff to get a 6' 2 hoops player out as a senior. Kid worked hard nad palyed well as a WR. Had not gotten much academic support in hoops so qualified late, but could run and is now on scholarship at 1-AA. Take any you can get who are willing to do it your way!
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Post by bigm0073 on Apr 15, 2009 19:39:51 GMT -6
Hey guys I agree the sun shines on a monkey's asss occasionally ;D.... Yes if I coach long enough I will steal an athletic B-Ball player who can play WR and what not...
But back to the point -
I really do not think that year in and year out you will consistently get new kids who will help you... Yes the kid every now and then but to build and sustain a program in all honesty usually comes from years of development and this starts at the feeder and middle school level.
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Post by touchdownmaker on Apr 16, 2009 5:09:06 GMT -6
It depends on the size of the school in some cases. For example it can be more useful to get a first time football player in his jr or senior year if it means he is on the field instead of the 14 year old freshman who weighs 132 in pads. Ill take inexeperience and size, speed, strength over 14 and scared to death. Theres a learning curve. we had a jr join our team last year, played tackle for us, hes a team captain this year.
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Post by kwallis on Apr 16, 2009 8:19:12 GMT -6
i agree w tdmaker. in my situation (new hc at school w little to no tradition) recruiting the halls has not only turned some kids on to football and are now coming out, but at the same time it gets the athletes, students, teacher and administration thinking about football outside of just August-November. I've made an effort to go to baseball, track and even softball games. since we're not in the building yet i feel that me and the staff need to become as involved as possible.
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Post by touchdownmaker on Apr 16, 2009 8:44:00 GMT -6
Our qb this coming season is a kid we recruited in the halls. He was a new student. It happens. I think sometimes kids just need an adult to show that hes not "scary" and that all are welcome. I know some coaches want only "the athletes" to come out but that to me is sort of missing the point to having a football program in the school.
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Post by davishfc on Apr 16, 2009 18:34:34 GMT -6
Sometimes you dont have a choice. You have to SELL THE PROGRAM, not beg. There is a big difference. begging "cmon Jones, youd be great, you could help us win the conference" selling "Jones, if you buy in and do what we coach you to do, you will improve quickly and become a valuable member of the program. Weight training and discipline will help you earn respect among your peers and among employers" one thing I have been stressing lately is that things like playing football, being a team captain and being part of success will look good on a resume in a difficult economy. One needs to give oneself every edge and football players, particularly captains, often have a few more doors open to them. Thats my story and I am sticking to it. touchdownmaker, This is what I'm talking about. I know there are many coaches out there that are not in a similar coaching situation. Consequently they see little to no value in recruiting their own buildings. But, to me, not every kid gets turned on to football in the 7th or 8th grade. Maybe they don't have the build and won't come out. Maybe they just didn't get interested in football until they got into high school. I think we, as coaches, sometimes forget we are dealing with kids. In some cases, our kids are no exception, very poverty stricken kids that do not come from much at all. In my experience, many kids just need to feel genuinely valued. They feel good about someone telling them that they have the potential to do something well. They also want to know that there is an exclusive group they can belong to and benefit from their particular skills. We cannot make the genuine investment in the junior high because we do not have the resources to make that happen. Periodic visits to the junior high are important but are no substitute for constant attention to prospective players. I have three staff members in the high school and I feel like we can recruit the freshman and sophomore classes heavily and find some hidden gems. I am not at all against recruiting the upperclassmen because what if you do get a contributer out of the effort, then that's one more than we had before. When you are facing the numbers issue that we are, we must become more creative with our recruiting tactics. I have developed a "We Want You!" Oscoda Owls Football Brochure out of the whole Uncle Sam concept. Basically, it outlines what each player will get as a result of participating in football. The brochure also outlines the achievements the program can possibly reach if they make the commitment to it. I am also contimplating a recruiting day with a media presence before the end of the school year. This would showcase the traditions of the program and bring those prospective players in on that. Give them a taste of the brotherhood, game experience (pre-game in particular, highlight tapes and create an excitement around it. I think sometimes we try to get kids out for football and expect them to know exactly what they are getting into. Honestly, they don't. Why not show them. These are the ideas for recruiting our own building that I've come up with and plan to use this May to see how many more players we can get out. We'll never know for sure what effect it had until August. Desperate times call for desperate measures. Any other creative and innovative recruiting ideas such as these that anybody has, I would be extremely grateful to hear about them. Thanks in advance Coaches.
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Post by kylem56 on Apr 19, 2009 16:10:01 GMT -6
Coach, In my opinion, your players need to be your best recruiters. Anyway, I dug around in my files to find this. I have no clue who wrote it but it had some good ideas for recruiting players to your program.
PLAYER RECRUITMENT The key to any program’s success is recruiting athletes. Our efforts must be diligent in nature to let ALL quality southside young men know that we want them attending Lincoln High School. The Southside must become UNTOUCHABLE to all prospective recruiters.
Our recruiting program is divided into three categories: immediate recruiting, short-term recruiting, and long-term recruiting. The following is our breakdown to help us build a consistent and solid foundation:
Immediate Recruiting: (Returning Players/On Campus Students) • Individual interviews • Strength & Conditioning program • Team meetings • Athletes in other sports (Basketball/Track/Wrestling specifically) • Football players as recruiters (peer pressure/program promotion) • Correspondence
Short-Term Recruiting: (Middle School Athletes) • Lincoln Eighth Grade Program • Little All-American/Pop Warner • Catholic League • Middle School Flag Program • Jr. High Camp • Jr. High Coaches Clinics • Special Game Nights • Halftime Scrimmages • ‘Ball boy for a game’, ‘Recruits of the Week’, Varsity sidelines, etc. • Attendance at football practices/games • Attendance at basketball, wrestling, track, baseball games/practices • Correspondence: recruit letters, ‘attaboys’, etc. • Team apparel • Game passes • Newsletters • Team web site (team recognition) • Coaching/parental contacts, School P.E. teachers
Long-Term Recruiting: (Grade School Students) • Future Rails Camp • YMCA Flag Program • Basketball, jr. wrestling, baseball leagues • Attendance at events • Correspondence • Game passes • Coaching/parental contacts
_____________________________________________________________________ Heres a few things we did as well Assign each staff member one JR or Little League team to follow and visit their practices and or games when possible Send varsity highlight film to each JR High and Little League coach encouraging them to show their players The best one IMO we do is , we get the names and addresses and birthdays of every boy from 5th-8th grade. (Our HC is the JR High Principal so it was relatively easily to get that info). Then We get pre printed birthday cards made up with our team's signatures in it wishing them a happy birthday from Swanton Bulldogs Football Team and Coaches. We mail a card to each one of them on their birthdays.
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Post by bigm0073 on Apr 20, 2009 6:35:49 GMT -6
That is very good stuff. Kind of what I emphasized earlier hit up the feeder programs and middle schools and that is the best way to build the program for the long haul. I really like some of your ideas.
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Post by footballguru99 on Apr 20, 2009 8:30:11 GMT -6
Great stuff coaches!!
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Post by tcm57 on Apr 20, 2009 10:57:57 GMT -6
kylem56 posted my recruiting outline that we instituted when I took over our school 8 years ago.
We continually "recruit our building" and have continued to benefit from most of the points in the outline.
Do not underestimate the power of peer pressure ... use your players!
Tom Mihalovich Head Football Coach Lincoln High School Des Moines, IA
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